Of course you are right; I was thinking of the tréma when I wrote that and I
changed it to a dieresis afterwards to make it more English (to get rid of
the red underlines). A general qui pro quo followed.
Slovak ä is an original invention; the tréma palatalizes the preceding
consonant. I did
The difference between I.2 and I.3 is that I.2 is in English and I.3 is in
French. Internet Explorer apparently chose to support English natively
while SGML preferred remaining language-agnostic.
Chris
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Silvia Pfeiffer schrieb:
So a company which owns a patent on a standard that can bought and
read at freedom is just as bad as a company which owns a patent on a
standard that has absolutely no public documentation?
If you're talking about Ogg Theora, then you've got your facts wrong.
First
Aaron Boodman wrote:
- One major issue that we found here was that lots of existing
applications serve different resources at the same URI depending on
who is logged in. We could ask these applications to redesign so that
they don't do that, but we would prefer to not have to.
On 6/26/07,
On 6/26/07, Spartanicus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Desktop client content support will determine the format most content
will be published in.
Interesting claim, however Apple so far has introduced AAC (high
quality drm-less) and MPEG4 for large audiences (OK, YouTube MPEG4 is
merely announced
timeless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Desktop client content support will determine the format most content
will be published in.
Interesting claim, however Apple so far has introduced AAC (high
quality drm-less) and MPEG4 for large audiences (OK, YouTube MPEG4 is
merely announced and not
I believe an aim of whatwg is a viable implementable standard that
reflects the realities of the web while encouraging innovation. MPEG4
is part of the web (a growing part too).
If I may, I'd like to echo Timeless's point here. I've been watching this
thread with great interest and believe I
Hello Jerason,
From a technical point-of-view, you make a very good argument.
However, I think it is inappropriate for the HTML spec to (directly or
indirectly) mandate people pay to implement it.
As you point out, H.263 is encumbered by patents and has licensing
costs associates with it.
Jerason Banes schrieb:
Out of those solutions, VP6, WMV, Sorenson, and RealVideo can
immediately be discarded for their lack of standardization. That leaves
H.263 and MPEG4 as the only viable options.
H.263 is not a bad choice, IMHO. It's well supported by nearly every
major video player,
Hi Charles,
While I agree with your sentiment, I don't see a better option. The purpose
of the HTML5 spec is to provide a unified web applications platform that
supports the existing web in a practical manner. If the spec sticks with
Theora as the baseline implementation, it runs the risk of no
Jerason Banes schrieb:
* The spec can specify Theora as the baseline, very few browsers
will implement it, few users will use it (due to a lack of
support), and thus the intent of standardizing on a free format
will be lost.
Opera and Mozilla already have implemented
Jerason Banes schrieb:
If that's true, then I'm greatly relieved. VP3 (the source of Theora) is
generally compared to MPEG1, a standard far exceeded by H.263. I have
not seen any publicly available Theora benchmarks that would overturn
such impressions. (Do any exist?)
Most public benchmarks
On 6/26/07, Maik Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Opera and Mozilla already have implemented (early) Ogg Vorbis and Ogg
Theora support.
And (if this thread is any indication) are likely to be the only ones.
Internet Explorer still holds the majority of the market, and Safari is
still the
Jerason Banes schrieb:
On 6/26/07, *Maik Merten* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Opera and Mozilla already have implemented (early) Ogg Vorbis and Ogg
Theora support.
And (if this thread is any indication) are likely to be the only ones.
Internet Explorer
But I don't accept that idealistic advocacy regarding encoding format
support for the video element is pointless in the situation in which
we are today where the market leaders haven't yet decided what they are
going to do.
they havent? it seems pretty clear to me
adobe - push swf/flv/apollo
changing email addresses, sorry...
On 6/26/07, Aaron Boodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Date: Jun 26, 2007 2:56 AM
Subject: [whatwg] Gears design goals
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Agree on all those.
Great! So
I don't quite get some of the arguments in the thread.
Browsers don't (and shouldn't) include their own av decoders anyway.
Codec support is an operating system issue, and any browser installed
on my computer supports exactly the same set of codecs, which are the
ones made available via the
On 26 Jun 2007, at 00:57, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
So a company which owns a patent on a standard that can bought and
read at freedom is just as bad as a company which owns a patent on a
standard that has absolutely no public documentation?
If you're talking about Ogg Theora, then you've got
Hi Jerason,
I think there may be a lack of information about Theora rather than
anything else.
On 6/27/07, Jerason Banes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I may, I'd like to echo Timeless's point here. I've been watching this
thread with great interest and believe I understand both sides of the
On 26 Jun 2007, at 17:46, Maik Merten wrote:
* The spec can be practical about implementing the video tag
and
specify H.263 or MPEG4 as a baseline. Existing multimedia
toolkits
can be reused in implementation and thus all browsers can
support
the standard. Users
On 6/27/07, Jerason Banes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The question that I hate to ask (because it goes against my own grain to
ask it) is, which is more useful to the web market: Asking Windows users to
install Ogg/Theora codecs
Actually, we just ask them to install Firefox :-)
or asking Linux
Silvia Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Opera have already implemented support for Ogg Theora and the video tag.
(see http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=5545573096553082541pr=goog-sl)
Opera has published a one off interim experimental build (Windows only)
with video support and native
I would like to make clear one more thing:
When I attended the iCommons Summit earlier this month, I have met the
project manager of the OLPC project, you know the $150 laptop for
children in developing nations, and the information that I have right
now is that it will not support proprietary
On 6/26/07, Simon Pieters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=69, Daren says:
Upon reading the current work document, I encountered the following:
Unless other specified, if a DOM attribute that is a signed numeric
type is assigned a negative value, a
On 6/26/07, Silvia Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is not true that Theora is not used today.
revision3.net is another site that uses/provides Theora.
http://revision3.net/diggnation
With videolan at least, the theora ones use less cpu than the other
formats, which makes it easier to
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