Re: [whatwg] Expanding datetime

2008-07-31 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jul 30, 2008, at 23:29, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: Wrong. Microformats may also be used to mark up events that happened in the past and people who are dead. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney What use case is served by marking up Walt Disney's birthday as bday?

[whatwg] scrollIntoView feedback

2008-07-31 Thread Ian Hickson
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Re: [whatwg] Proposal for a link attribute to replace a href

2008-07-31 Thread James Graham
Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Simon Pieters wrote: There are also alternative suggestions, like making a contain any element. Unfortunately, none of these end up working (e.g. for this proposal, ap/a would create an unexpected DOM -- we'd have to make /p end tags not optional when

Re: [whatwg] scrollIntoView feedback

2008-07-31 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Peter Kasting wrote: - Otherwise, if the element is not larger than the viewport, scroll such that the element is centered* in the viewport (within the scrolling limits -- if the element

[whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies

2008-07-31 Thread David Gerard
The current version of Minefield (the pre-3.1 nightlies) has Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Theora support. You can try these out using Wikimedia Commons video: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Video The current MediaWiki video code defaults to everything else first, but load the video then

Re: [whatwg] Signatures in HTML5

2008-07-31 Thread Channy Yun
Andres, Thanks for your long effort in this issue. I know there is many issues of more secure solution and specification for financial transactions. But, it has been processed most of bank transaction and cyber trading in web browser form. So new protocol and new specification is not good

Re: [whatwg] Signatures

2008-07-31 Thread Channy Yun
Thanks for your follow up about long silence issue. In my understanding, the implementation guide of browsers is most important part of HTML5. As you know, web browsers have offered the authentication of client certificate over SSL per web site. It is widely used by many companies and

Re: [whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies

2008-07-31 Thread Maik Merten
David Gerard schrieb: Is the video tag doing Ogg Theora in Opera yet? In experimental builds, yes. I'm sure Apple and Nokia can join the party at their leisure. I assume the latest move by Mozilla (which I think is great, obviously) won't do anything to address the IP concerns of

Re: [whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies

2008-07-31 Thread David Gerard
2008/7/31 Maik Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED]: David Gerard schrieb: I'm sure Apple and Nokia can join the party at their leisure. I assume the latest move by Mozilla (which I think is great, obviously) won't do anything to address the IP concerns of mentioned players. The IP concerns are

Re: [whatwg] Expanding datetime

2008-07-31 Thread WeBMartians
Believe it or not, Yes! Consider the couple to be congratulated on their gazillionth anniversary. Is that diamond, gold, platinum? Whatever it is, if your date time system is limited to epoch 1970, you're out of luck. That's why I claim that restrictions (rigorously documented) are OK as long

Re: [whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies

2008-07-31 Thread Shannon
David Gerard schrieb: I'm sure Apple and Nokia can join the party at their leisure. I assume the latest move by Mozilla (which I think is great, obviously) won't do anything to address the IP concerns of mentioned players. The IP concerns are blatant FUD and it's ridiculous

Re: [whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies

2008-07-31 Thread Maik Merten
David Gerard schrieb: The IP concerns are blatant FUD and it's ridiculous to describe them in any other terms. While I do agree that the IP concerns may actually be blown out of proportion (after all the current state of being in a limbo, leaving the field completely to proprietary

Re: [whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies

2008-07-31 Thread David Gerard
2008/7/31 Maik Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED]: David Gerard schrieb: The IP concerns are blatant FUD and it's ridiculous to describe them in any other terms. While I do agree that the IP concerns may actually be blown out of proportion (after all the current state of being in a limbo, leaving the

Re: [whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies

2008-07-31 Thread Maik Merten
David Gerard schrieb: Ignoring IE, Firefox 3.1 will have this Just Work. So, as I said, it'll be a process of them deciding whether there are business reasons to come along at their leisure. Yes, business reasons are usually indeed good reasons for businesses ;-) The second-biggest browser

Re: [whatwg] video element now working in Firefox nightlies

2008-07-31 Thread Maik Merten
Maik Merten schrieb: If for sure welcome the stance of Mozilla and Opera to support royality-free-for-any-purpose formats and I hope other vendors will follow this path. This sentence doesn't parse. Patched version: I for sure welcome the stance of Mozilla and Opera to support

Re: [whatwg] Expanding datetime

2008-07-31 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Henri Sivonen wrote: What use case is served by marking up Walt Disney's birthday as bday? Surely people aren't supposed to export Walt Disney's contact information to their address book app and have it remind them to congratulate Walt on his birthday. Again, you're thinking entirely in

Re: [whatwg] Expanding datetime

2008-07-31 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
WeBMartians wrote: Believe it or not, Yes! Consider the couple to be congratulated on their gazillionth anniversary. Is that diamond, gold, platinum? Whatever it is, if your date time system is limited to epoch 1970, you're out of luck. That's why I claim that restrictions (rigorously

Re: [whatwg] Application deployment

2008-07-31 Thread Russell Leggett
Please explain why you consider concatenating JavaScript sources dirty. I don't necessarily think it's dirty, but any choices that game the system for purely performance reasons seem hackish to me. Concatenating js files for performance reasons is certainly less offensive than css sprites, but

[whatwg] overflow of seamless iframes

2008-07-31 Thread L. David Baron
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/embedded0.html#seamless doesn't seem to say what happens to overflowing content in seamless iframes. Overflowing content seems likely to occur with the default values of 'width' and 'height', in at least the case where content inside the

Re: [whatwg] overflow of seamless iframes

2008-07-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, L. David Baron wrote: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/embedded0.html#seamless doesn't seem to say what happens to overflowing content in seamless iframes. Overflowing content seems likely to occur with the default values of 'width' and

Re: [whatwg] Question about the PICS label in HTML5

2008-07-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Marco wrote: I've been looking through the HTML5 working draft and I've been trying to find a reference for the use of the current PICS labels. HTML5 currently doesn't define PICS support, but it allows authors to define extensions for meta name and link rel by

Re: [whatwg] overflow of seamless iframes

2008-07-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Simon Pieters wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:11:08 +0200, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My original idea (apparently not well conveyed in the spec) is that it doesn't actually affect the rendering model at all -- it's still an iframe, it just doesn't have a

[whatwg] Joined blocks

2008-07-31 Thread Shannon
Something I think is really missing from HTML is linked text (in the traditional desktop publishing sense), where two or more text boxes are joined so that content overflows the first into the second and subsequent boxes. This is a standard process for practically all multi-column magazines,

Re: [whatwg] Joined blocks

2008-07-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Shannon wrote: Something I think is really missing from HTML is linked text (in the traditional desktop publishing sense), where two or more text boxes are joined so that content overflows the first into the second and subsequent boxes. This is a standard process for

Re: [whatwg] Joined blocks

2008-07-31 Thread Shannon
I agree this is _mostly_ a CSS issue except that there is semantic meaning to the join attribute beyond layout. The attribute could serve as a guide to search engines, web-scrapers or WYSIWYG applications that two areas of the page should be considered a single piece of content. I am also