Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-01 Thread Andy Lyttle
On Oct 31, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: That's what the class attribute is for. What's the difference then between mark and span then? I mean, does the mark element provide anything that span with an appropriate class wouldn't? A default style when there's no CSS support, support

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-01 Thread Pentasis
The spec already describes how to do footnotes: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#footnotes Yes, but this is a theoretical explanation that does not provide a consistent, practical solution. As the mark element has different usages defined on it already why not

Re: [whatwg] Proposing URI Templates for WebForms 2.0

2008-11-01 Thread Julian Reschke
Mark Nottingham wrote: ... Try what I did with hinclude http://www.mnot.net/javascript/hinclude/; write a javascript library to handle a declarative syntax, and have it gracefully degrade once the browsers handle it natively. If the markup is declarative, it doesn't matter if it's in HTML5 or

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 1 Nov 2008, Andy Lyttle wrote: On Oct 31, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: That's what the class attribute is for. What's the difference then between mark and span then? I mean, does the mark element provide anything that span with an appropriate class wouldn't?

Re: [whatwg] WF2 terminology: tokens vs. productions

2008-11-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007, Henri Sivonen wrote: Quoting the spec: An e-mail address, following the format of the addr-spec token defined in RFC 2822 section 3.4.1 [RFC2822], but excluding the CFWS subtoken everywhere, and excluding the FWS subtoken everywhere except in the quoted-string

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-01 Thread Pentasis
Yes, but this is a theoretical explanation that does not provide a consistent, practical solution. I don't understand why these solutions aren't consistent or practical. First of all, the spec admits it itself: HTML does not have a dedicated mechanism for marking up footnotes. Here are the

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-01 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Pentasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but this is a theoretical explanation that does not provide a consistent, practical solution. I don't understand why these solutions aren't consistent or practical. First of all, the spec admits it itself: HTML does

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-01 Thread Pentasis
Grouping and such is a stylistic concern, though - as long as the document expresses a footnote semantic, that's all it has to do. For the rest, we have a CSS Module that will cover that area, the Generated and Replaced Content module [1]. By an astonishing coincidence, the editor of this

[whatwg] Cascading Attribute Sheets

2008-11-01 Thread Pentasis
In the add type to mark element discussion which I started, a side argument about ids and classes was brought up. I conveyed my opinion that I think classes should only be used as style handles and not to convey extra semantic meaning. The HTML4 spec states: The class attribute has several

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-01 Thread Eduard Pascual
First of all, I'd like to avoid any missunderstandings: I have nothing against the mark element itself; although I'm afraid my previous e-mails may lead to think otherwise. It could be a really good addition to HTML but, IMHO, it isn't yet, and I'm trying to show why I think so. On Sat, Nov 1,

Re: [whatwg] Cascading Attribute Sheets

2008-11-01 Thread Thomas Broyer
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Pentasis wrote: In the add type to mark element discussion which I started, a side argument about ids and classes was brought up. I conveyed my opinion that I think classes should only be used as style handles and not to convey extra semantic meaning. The HTML4

[whatwg] HTML5 and URI Templates

2008-11-01 Thread Ian Hickson
(In the interests of avoiding cross-posting, I have only sent this e-mail to the whatwg list. The original e-mails were also crossposted to the IETF URI list and the rest-discuss list.) This might be a good time to bring the FAQ to people's attention -- it covers what we ask people to go

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] form.submit() should not throw if form is invalid

2008-11-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Hallvord R M Steen wrote: I think some changes are required to make WF2 more web-compatible. In particular, we need a clean way JS can override WF2's validation. Cancelling an invalid event just prevents the UA's built-in message - we need something that makes