Re: [whatwg] Trying to work out the problems solved by RDFa

2009-01-02 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jan 1, 2009, at 17:24, Toby A Inkster wrote: So why RDFa and not Microformats? There's a possibility that this is a false dichotomy and both are bad. Firstly, RDFa provides a single unified parsing algorithm that Microformats do not. Separate parsers need to be created for hCalendar,

Re: [whatwg] Trying to work out the problems solved by RDFa

2009-01-02 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jan 1, 2009, at 06:41, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: There are many cases where people build their own dataset and queries to solve a local problem. As an example, Opera is not intersted in asking Google to index data related to internal developer documents, and use it to produce

Re: [whatwg] Trying to work out the problems solved by RDFa

2009-01-02 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 2/1/09 10:38, Henri Sivonen wrote: More to the point, Microformats not only require per-format processing but the processing required for each Microformat isn't specified at all. That's bad. Some do have processing specified (at least to some degree):

Re: [whatwg] Trying to work out the problems solved by RDFa

2009-01-02 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Charles McCathieNevile cha...@opera.com wrote: A standard way to include arbitrary data in a web page and extract it for machine processing, without having to pre-coordinate their data models. This isn't a requirement (or in other words, a problem), it's a

Re: [whatwg] Trying to work out the problems solved by RDFa

2009-01-02 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Charles McCathieNevile cha...@opera.com wrote: On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:43:05 +1100, Andi Sidwell a...@takkaria.org wrote: On 2009-01-01 15:24, Toby A Inkster wrote: The use cases for RDFa are pretty much the same as those for Microformats. Right, but

Re: [whatwg] Trying to work out the problems solved by RDFa

2009-01-02 Thread Julian Reschke
Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: ... Solutions for this already exist; embedded N3 in a script tag, just to name something that Ian already mentioned, allows you to mash RDF data into a page in a machine-extractable way, and brings in any of the specific ancillary benefits of RDF. ... Well, it'll require

Re: [whatwg] Trying to work out the problems solved by RDFa

2009-01-02 Thread Julian Reschke
Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: Right, but microformats can be used without any changes to the HTML language, whereas RDFa requires such changes. If they fulfill the same use cases, then there's not much point in adding RDFa. ... Why the non-response? This is precisely the point of contention. Things

Re: [whatwg] Trying to work out the problems solved by RDFa

2009-01-02 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: ... Solutions for this already exist; embedded N3 in a script tag, just to name something that Ian already mentioned, allows you to mash RDF data into a page in a machine-extractable way, and

Re: [whatwg] Trying to work out the problems solved by RDFa

2009-01-02 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: Right, but microformats can be used without any changes to the HTML language, whereas RDFa requires such changes. If they fulfill the same use cases, then there's not much point in adding

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2009-01-02 Thread Asbjørn Ulsberg
On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:09:24 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: The spec draws the line already -- it says that the date has to be in the proleptic Gregorian calendar, and that the year has to be greater than zero. Reading the spec, I have to wonder: Does HTML5 need to specify as much as

[whatwg] Minor error in content‐type sniffing t able

2009-01-02 Thread 111mth
In section 2.7.4 of the specification, part of the table reads FF FF 00 00 FE FF 00 00 text/plain n/a UTF-16BE BOM FF FF 00 00 FF FF 00 00 text/plain n/a UTF-16LE BOM

Re: [whatwg] Minor error in content‐type sniffing t able

2009-01-02 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon
On 2 Jan 2009, at 22:39, 111...@gmail.com wrote: In section 2.7.4 of the specification, part of the table reads FF FF 00 00 FE FF 00 00 text/plain n/a UTF-16BE BOM FF FF 00 00 FF FF 00 00 text/plain n/a UTF-16LE BOM in the 1 January draft. Should this be FF FF 00 00 FE FF 00 00 text/plain n/a

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2009-01-02 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon
On 2 Jan 2009, at 21:53, Asbjørn Ulsberg wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:09:24 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: The spec draws the line already -- it says that the date has to be in the proleptic Gregorian calendar, and that the year has to be greater than zero. Reading the spec,

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2009-01-02 Thread WeBMartians
Asbjørn, while I can't give you a message-list, please believe me when I say that the HTML5 specifications on this are the result of quite a bit of discussion and IMHO represent a reasonable compromise between driving the developers crazy and supporting dates and times back to the Cenozoic era.

[whatwg] The FAQ and other information

2009-01-02 Thread Ian Hickson
With the new year I thought I'd take the opportunity to remind everyone of some of our community's resources: The FAQ - http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ This contains many replies to common questions about process, timetable, and about common topics of discussion. I recommend it to