Re: [whatwg] Trying to work out the problems solved by RDFa

2009-01-11 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 11/1/09 02:51, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: eRDF might be a working compromise, because it doesn't need any changes to the spec It's not possible to author conforming HTML5 that functions as eRDF since eRDF requires a 'profile' attribute, but HTML5 has removed the attribute.

Re: [whatwg] Fuzzbot (Firefox RDFa semantics processor)

2009-01-11 Thread Toby A Inkster
Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: The concern is about every kind of metadata with respect to their possible uses; but, while it's been stated that Microforamts (for instance) don't require any purticular support by UAs (thus they're backward compatible), RDFa would be a completely new feature,

Re: [whatwg] Trying to work out the problems solved by RDFa

2009-01-11 Thread Calogero Alex Baldacchino
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis ha scritto: On 11/1/09 02:51, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: eRDF might be a working compromise, because it doesn't need any changes to the spec It's not possible to author conforming HTML5 that functions as eRDF since eRDF requires a 'profile' attribute, but HTML5

Re: [whatwg] Trying to work out the problems solved by RDFa

2009-01-11 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 11/1/09 16:52, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: Well, that's a chance, of course, but that's *not* RDFa as specified by W3C; for instance, @property is specified as accepting _only_ CURIEs Good point; I hadn't spotted that. It's the same with every possible existing custom (non-standard)

Re: [whatwg] Fuzzbot (Firefox RDFa semantics processor)

2009-01-11 Thread Martin Atkins
Toby A Inkster wrote: Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: The concern is about every kind of metadata with respect to their possible uses; but, while it's been stated that Microforamts (for instance) don't require any purticular support by UAs (thus they're backward compatible), RDFa would be a

[whatwg] Content type sniffing

2009-01-11 Thread Boris Zbarsky
I just noticed that section 2.7.1 of HTML5 says: Extensions must not be used for determining resource types for resources fetched over HTTP. While I understand the reasons for this, there are certainly cases where this will break sites (basically those using HTTP 0.9, or later HTTP

Re: [whatwg] Fuzzbot (Firefox RDFa semantics processor)

2009-01-11 Thread Calogero Alex Baldacchino
Toby A Inkster ha scritto: Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: The concern is about every kind of metadata with respect to their possible uses; but, while it's been stated that Microforamts (for instance) don't require any purticular support by UAs (thus they're backward compatible), RDFa would

Re: [whatwg] Fuzzbot (Firefox RDFa semantics processor)

2009-01-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009, Toby A Inkster wrote: RDFa doesn't require any special support beyond the special support that is required for Microformats. i.e. nothing. User agents are free to ignore the RDFa attributes. In that sense, RDFa already works in pretty much every existing browser, even

Re: [whatwg] Fuzzbot (Firefox RDFa semantics processor)

2009-01-11 Thread Martin Atkins
Ian Hickson wrote: The question we should be discussing is not should it work? (because it already does), but rather, should it validate? No, the question is what problem are we solving?. Talking about RDFa, RDF, eRDF, Microformats, and so forth doesn't answer this question. The question

Re: [whatwg] Fuzzbot (Firefox RDFa semantics processor)

2009-01-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009, Martin Atkins wrote: The disconnect you're facing is that the proposers of RDFa consider the ability to encode RDF triples to be a goal, while you consider RDF triples to be a solution to a (as-yet-undetermined) higher-level problem. They take RDF as a given, while

[whatwg] What RDF does Re: Trying to work out...

2009-01-11 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:54:08 +1100, Calogero Alex Baldacchino alex.baldacch...@email.it wrote: I admit I'm not very expert in RDF use, thus I have a few questions. Specifically, maybe I can guess the advantages when using the same (carefully modelled, and well-known) vocabulary/ies; but

Re: [whatwg] Trying to work out the problems solved by RDFa

2009-01-11 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:41:10 +1100, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: *If* we want to support RDFa, why not add the attributes the way they are already named??? Because the issue is that we don't yet know if we want to support RDFa. That's the whole point

Re: [whatwg] Fuzzbot (Firefox RDFa semantics processor)

2009-01-11 Thread Martin Atkins
Ian Hickson wrote: They have already solved some problems with RDF and wish only to adapt this generalized solution to work in HTML, while you wish to re-solve all of these problems from the ground up. I don't necessarily wish to resolve the problems -- if they have existing good

Re: [whatwg] Fuzzbot (Firefox RDFa semantics processor)

2009-01-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009, Martin Atkins wrote: One problem this can solve is that an agent can, given a URL that represents a person, extract some basic profile information such as the person's name along with references to other people that person knows. This can further be applied to allow a

Re: [whatwg] Content type sniffing

2009-01-11 Thread Adam Barth
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: I just noticed that section 2.7.1 of HTML5 says: Extensions must not be used for determining resource types for resources fetched over HTTP. Extensions are bad news for content sniffing because they can often be chosen