Re: [whatwg] Author control over media preloading/buffering

2009-02-12 Thread timeless
2009/2/11 Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org: So, how about adding an autobuffer attribute, which instructs the browser that the user will probably play the video and as much data as possible should be pre-downloaded? By default (when the attribute is not present) the browser would be

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-02-12 Thread Ian Hickson
The discussion on spellcheck= focused on two ideas; using spellcheck= mostly as specced here: http://damowmow.com/playground/spellcheck.txt ...and doing something with lang=. The idea of using lang= had problems that were pointed out by several people, most notably, the issue that the

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-02-12 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Regarding http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=2800to=2801, my requests: 1. Change the literals true/false to on/off, leaving the DOM values Boolean. 2. Check the spelling of the passage (asits!) :0) 3. Say that the default behavior for BODY is on and the default behavior for

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-02-12 Thread Bil Corry
Kristof Zelechovski wrote on 2/12/2009 6:24 AM: Stretching it a bit, a user's language always matches the site's, otherwise the user would not be able to submit to the site anything that makes sense, except when the site is a gateway for submissions to an uninvolved third party in which

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-02-12 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
The server has two ways of knowing the user's preferred language: the user's preferences and the browser settings, in that order. Submitting in two languages usually needs two controls, one for English and one for German, with appropriate markup. The server must be prepared to handle this use

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-02-12 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Kristof Zelechovski giecr...@stegny.2a.pl wrote: The server has two ways of knowing the user's preferred language: the user's preferences and the browser settings, in that order. Both of which are often wrong. Users may be multilingual, and multiple users may

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-02-12 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
The language attribute can be changed at run time if needed. It requires an additional event that can be called langmismatch. Of course, a more traditional selector is also a solution. If the site is primary English, with Hebrew fragments here and there, it is not much harm that the fragments

Re: [whatwg] DOMTimeStamp binding

2009-02-12 Thread Kartikaya Gupta
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:03:01 -0800, Darin Adler da...@apple.com wrote: On Feb 11, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Kartikaya Gupta wrote: I updated to Safari 3.2 on Windows (which looks it also has WebKit 525.27.1) and you're right, it is now showing number instead of object. I guess this was

Re: [whatwg] DOMTimeStamp binding

2009-02-12 Thread Kartikaya Gupta
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:03:22 +0100, Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:14:44 +0100, Kartikaya Gupta lists.weba...@stakface.com wrote: I updated to Safari 3.2 on Windows (which looks it also has WebKit 525.27.1) and you're right, it is now showing number

Re: [whatwg] DOMTimeStamp binding

2009-02-12 Thread Simon Pieters
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:12:49 +0100, Kartikaya Gupta lists.weba...@stakface.com wrote: It seems to me the simplest approach would be to bind DOMTimeStamp to a number for ECMAScript (the typedef should then make it unnecessary to explicitly define in WebIDL), and create a new type to

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Rendering of interactive content

2009-02-12 Thread Giovanni Campagna
2009/2/11 Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch [...] 2) you depend on css3-ui, in CR stage, instead of becss, a very early WD BECSS is actually probably more stable than CSS3 UI at this point. Why do you say so? Will CSS3 UI go back to Last Call or BECSS process to Last Call in the

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-02-12 Thread Bil Corry
Kristof Zelechovski wrote on 2/12/2009 9:05 AM: Markup for German AND English submissions at the same time, as per your request: LABEL LANG=de Inhalt: TEXTAREA NAME=INHALT /TEXTAREA /LABEL LABEL LANG=de Contents: TEXTAREA NAME=CONTENTS /TEXTAREA /LABEL In my case, we have a single field,

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-02-12 Thread Křištof Želechovski
Having interjected words marked as spelling errors is not a failure. The same phenomenon occurs with proper names and you cannot help that. The UI you described is inconsistent and it should be fixed. The control for German should be labeled Fehlerbeſchreibung or whatever. Best regards, Chris

Re: [whatwg] False orthogonal nature :read-only and :disabled in WF2

2009-02-12 Thread Rikkert Koppes
Either I am rather confused or there are some misunderstandings still. Some observations: Ian Hickson wrote: Having them be orthogonal is far more useful to authors. For example, imagine the following stylesheet: And I've made HTML5 say that :read-write doesn't apply to disabled

Re: [whatwg] defer on style, depends

2009-02-12 Thread Boris Zbarsky
Garrett Smith wrote: I would be fine with a way to flag scripts with that information, though there is a catch-22: if you flag such a script and it DOES depend on style information, then existing UAs will get it right and any UA implementing the new spec will get it wrong. If the page does

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-02-12 Thread Bil Corry
Křištof Želechovski wrote on 2/12/2009 10:15 AM: The UI you described is inconsistent and it should be fixed. Inconsistent with which UI standard? - Bil

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-02-12 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
I do not know much about UI standards but the rule that the answer should be formulated in the language of the question is rather straightforward. It is just common sense. Exceptions are questions like How is that in German?. Chris

Re: [whatwg] DOMTimeStamp binding

2009-02-12 Thread Darin Adler
On Feb 12, 2009, at 7:08 AM, Kartikaya Gupta wrote: Latest version of Chrome is still giving me a Date object. I don't know what version of WebKit it's using. Chrome uses an entirely different JavaScript binding, not the standard WebKit one, so I'm not surprised that it’s exhibiting

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-02-12 Thread Bil Corry
Kristof Zelechovski wrote on 2/12/2009 11:06 AM: I do not know much about UI standards but the rule that the answer should be formulated in the language of the question is rather straightforward. It is just common sense. Exceptions are questions like How is that in German?. No one can

Re: [whatwg] Fwd: [html5] Semantic elements and spec complexity

2009-02-12 Thread David Gerard
2009/2/11 Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch: On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, David Gerard wrote: Think of tag-soupness as a feature, not a bug. Shudder in horror at what this implies. I don't think that's a particularly controversial position here. People in other mailing lists involved in the development of

Re: [whatwg] Spellchecking mark III

2009-02-12 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
The majority of users will answer the question in the language of the question, this is the normal reaction. Of course there is no guarantee but the odds of getting the expected result are high. Assuming that the user's input will actually be read by somebody, providing proper markup will help

Re: [whatwg] DOMTimeStamp binding

2009-02-12 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Kartikaya Gupta wrote: DOM 3 Core says this about DOMTimeStamp: For Java, DOMTimeStamp is bound to the long type. For ECMAScript, DOMTimeStamp is bound to the Date type because the range of the integer type is too small. The former WebAPI working group discussed this issue and found that

Re: [whatwg] Selectors Tests and :enabled

2009-02-12 Thread fantasai
Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, fantasai wrote: Given the state of current implementations and the fact that hidden input elements do have distinct enabled and disabled states, I don't understand the reasoning behind this change. http://twitter.com/WHATWG/status/1198455588 The idea

Re: [whatwg] Script/parser interaction bug?

2009-02-12 Thread Kartikaya Gupta
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:55:18 + (UTC), Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Could you reannotate the above but with the script nesting level explicitly given at each step? Below is an updated annotation including all the script nesting level and parser pause flag changes. (Original

Re: [whatwg] Author control over media preloading/buffering

2009-02-12 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM, timeless timel...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/2/11 Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org: So, how about adding an autobuffer attribute, which instructs the browser that the user will probably play the video and as much data as possible should be pre-downloaded?

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 fo ecommerce

2009-02-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Mynthon wrote: I have some questions about html. I really like new section / tag and its possibility to have its own hx / structure. Dont like mixing hx / levels but thats BTW. I have strange feeling that in next 5 years not only blogs will be available on the web

Re: [whatwg] 5.7.6 The application cache selection algorithm

2009-02-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Michael Nordman wrote: Note that the document-is-markup flag will likely go away, and be replaced by just checking to see if there is a manifest (as it was before). The reason this particular thing might change is that I checked it in yesterday and this

Re: [whatwg] swapCache algorithm changes

2009-02-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote: I've noticed that swapCache() now raises an exception if the cache's application cache group is marked as obsolete. Previously, this resulted in the document being unassociated from the cache. Why such a change? It seems arbitrary - the

Re: [whatwg] Methods defined for one document called after that document is no longer the one being displayed

2009-02-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009, Boris Zbarsky wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: I haven't mentioned the 'this' behavior, so right now |this !=== window|, which breaks the invariant that there is no way to actually get hold of a reference to the Window object itself (as opposed to the outer WindowProxy

Re: [whatwg] Semi-transparent content models

2009-02-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Lachlan Hunt wrote: The spec defines the semi-transparent content model, but this is no longer used for any elements. Please remove this from the spec. http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#transparent-content-models Done. -- Ian Hickson

Re: [whatwg] 5.12.3.7 Link type help

2009-02-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009, Philipp Kempgen wrote: ---cut--- 5.12.3.7 Link type help The help keyword may be used with link, a, and area elements. For link elements, it creates a hyperlink. ---cut--- Shouldn't that read For *a* elements, it creates a hyperlink.? On Tue, 3 Feb 2009, Giovanni

Re: [whatwg] List Headers

2009-02-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Lachlan Hunt wrote: You can do this in HTML5, using figure and legend: figure legendA header for the list/legend ul liList item/li liList item/li liList item/li /ul /figure Since figure is a sectioning root, a heading

Re: [whatwg] Methods defined for one document called after that document is no longer the one being displayed

2009-02-12 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Sat, 31 Jan 2009, Boris Zbarsky wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: I haven't mentioned the 'this' behavior, so right now |this !=== window|, which breaks the invariant that there is no way to actually get hold of a reference to