Re: [whatwg] / feedback

2009-05-04 Thread Křištof Želechovski
If the author wants to show only a sample of a resource and not the full resource, I think she does it on purpose. It is not clear why it is vital for the viewer to have an _obvious_ way to view the whole resource instead; if it were the case, the author would provide for this. IMHO, Chris

Re: [whatwg] / feedback

2009-05-04 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 2:25 AM, David Singer wrote: >> At 23:15  +1000 30/04/09, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: >>> >>>  > On Thu, 30 Apr 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: > >  > On Wed, 8 Apr 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: >  >> >  >> No

[whatwg] Getting data out of poorly written Web pages

2009-05-04 Thread Ian Hickson
One of the use cases I collected from the e-mails sent in over the past few months was the following: USE CASE: Getting data out of poorly written Web pages, so that the user can find more information about the page's contents. SCENARIOS: * Alfred merges data from various sources

Re: [whatwg] table 'frames' attribute

2009-05-04 Thread fantasai
Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 4 May 2009, fantasai wrote: Section 10.2.6, i.e. The XHTML syntax: Rendering: Punctuation and decoration contains some style rules for handling the [rules] and [frames] attributes of the element. I haven't reviewed it all in detail but this part table[frames=void]

Re: [whatwg] SVG extensions to

2009-05-04 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote: > has an intrinsic size (like ,, and > /), the other have not. > and usually have intrinsic sizes, but // usually don't. often does and often does not. Rob -- "He was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;

Re: [whatwg] SVG extensions to

2009-05-04 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 05 May 2009 00:16:50 +0200, ddailey wrote: Maybe I misunderstood (or, more precisely, I am about to state my probable misunderstanding): Does this mean for example, that the author could take a chunk of code or its equivalent and pass it to canvas.drawImage() (and friends) and t

Re: [whatwg] SVG extensions to

2009-05-04 Thread ddailey
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:15:04 +0200, Ian Hickson wrote: As far as I can tell this doesn't require any changes to HTML5, since the same applies here as applies to a regular , right? Anne van Kesteren replied: Maybe you misunderstood, but the request was not about referencing SVG, but passing a

Re: [whatwg] table 'frames' attribute

2009-05-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 4 May 2009, fantasai wrote: > > Section 10.2.6, i.e. The XHTML syntax: Rendering: Punctuation and decoration > contains some style rules for handling the [rules] and [frames] attributes > of the element. I haven't reviewed it all in detail but this part > > table[frames=void] > tr > td,

Re: [whatwg] table 'frames' attribute

2009-05-04 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 04 May 2009 23:52:21 +0200, fantasai wrote: [...] Regardless of whether the effect of the rules is wrong, the name of the attribute is frame, not frames, as far as I can tell. -- Anne van Kesteren http://annevankesteren.nl/

[whatwg] table 'frames' attribute

2009-05-04 Thread fantasai
Section 10.2.6, i.e. The XHTML syntax: Rendering: Punctuation and decoration contains some style rules for handling the [rules] and [frames] attributes of the element. I haven't reviewed it all in detail but this part table[frames=void] > tr > td, table[frames=void] > tr > th, table[frames=a

Re: [whatwg] notes on current HTML5 draft

2009-05-04 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
One thing XHTML(2) does not provide is resilience to invalid code, which is very important for sites featuring third-party content like advertisements, or user-generated content like blogs. Script-only add-ons like database access and Web sockets in HTML5 are a big advantage for Web applications a

Re: [whatwg] converting word (was attributes

2009-05-04 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Microsoft Word has an option to save as filtered HTML; the result is almost clean and almost valid, with a few exceptions, but it still not good. However, the Word-specific stuff is gone, so you can focus on real problems. HTH, Chris

Re: [whatwg] Section 3 semantics and structure

2009-05-04 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
HTML5 elements live in the DOM, and markup creates two (preferable) ways to persist HTML5 documents and fragments. But in principle you could persist them as JSON equally well (probably making your site inaccessible to bots), with a few framework exceptions just to bootstrap the browser. It is qu

Re: [whatwg] SVG extensions to

2009-05-04 Thread Charles Pritchard
Oliver writes: >> I believe drawImage should be left as it currently is (basically taking >> objects that are intrinsically bitmap-ish), and if we were to add an >> ability >> to draw an svg element into the canvas it should really be an simple >> drawElement(Element) method instead, after all, why

Re: [whatwg] SVG extensions to

2009-05-04 Thread Oliver Hunt
On May 4, 2009, at 6:38 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:15:04 +0200, Ian Hickson wrote: As far as I can tell this doesn't require any changes to HTML5, since the same applies here as applies to a regular , right? Maybe you misunderstood, but the request was not about

Re: [whatwg] SVG extensions to

2009-05-04 Thread Giovanni Campagna
2009/5/4 Oliver Hunt : > > On May 4, 2009, at 6:38 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > >> On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:15:04 +0200, Ian Hickson wrote: >>> >>> As far as I can tell this doesn't require any changes to HTML5, since the >>> same applies here as applies to a regular , right? >> >> Maybe you misun

Re: [whatwg] rename CanvasPixelArray

2009-05-04 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 01 May 2009 01:10:19 +0200, Ian Hickson wrote: > I haven't renamed it. I don't think it's a big deal to introduce other > interfaces that look the same but with different names, if we need to. I agree that's not a problem, but the asymmetry between ImageData and CanvasPixelArray would be

Re: [whatwg] SVG extensions to

2009-05-04 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:15:04 +0200, Ian Hickson wrote: > As far as I can tell this doesn't require any changes to HTML5, since the > same applies here as applies to a regular , right? Maybe you misunderstood, but the request was not about referencing SVG, but passing an SVGSVGElement object dir