Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Innovimax SARL wrote: In 2.3 Case-sensitivity and string comparison Please replace Converting a string to uppercase and Converting a string to lowercase by respectively Converting a string to uppercase ASCII and Converting a string to lowercase ASCII Done.

Re: [whatwg] cross-domain scrollIntoView on frames and iframes

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Ojan Vafai wrote: I'm suggesting an addition to cross-domain (i)frames that allows scrolling specific content into view. The use case is sites that aggregate data from many sites (e.g. search engines) and want to display that data in an iframe. They can load the page in

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome Was: Re: MPEG-1 subset proposal for HTML5 video codec

2009-06-03 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Daniel Berlin dan...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Daniel Berlin dan...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)

2009-06-03 Thread Innovimax SARL
Thanks, Ian ! On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Innovimax SARL wrote: In 2.3 Case-sensitivity and string comparison Please replace Converting a string to uppercase and Converting a string to lowercase by respectively

Re: [whatwg] [html5] r3151 - [] (0) Try to make the magic margin collapsing rule more accurate.

2009-06-03 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
The HTML element cannot have a FIELDSET element as a child. It can, however, have a FRAMESET element as a child. Chris

Re: [whatwg] [html5] r3151 - [] (0) Try to make the magic margin collapsing rule more accurate.

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: The HTML element cannot have a FIELDSET element as a child. It can, however, have a FRAMESET element as a child. Yes, this is indeed the case. Is there a particular reason you bring this up? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: It seems that getting the element name is not covered at all, it is a core interface, so definitions in the HTML specification do not apply. I don't know what this is in reference to. Could you elaborate on what change to the spec you would like?

Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)

2009-06-03 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jun 3, 2009, at 09:45, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Innovimax SARL wrote: In 2.3 Case-sensitivity and string comparison Please replace Converting a string to uppercase and Converting a string to lowercase by respectively Converting a string to uppercase ASCII and Converting a

Re: [whatwg] How long should sessionStorage data persist?

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, João Eiras wrote: On , Jeremy Orlow jor...@google.com wrote: I think this also applies: NOTE: The lifetime of a browsing context can be unrelated to the lifetime of the actual user agent process itself, as the user agent may support resuming sessions after a

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome Was: Re: MPEG-1 subset proposal for HTML5 video codec

2009-06-03 Thread Chris DiBona
Yeah, this is really pretty difficult stuff. The lgpl is probably the least understood and most complicated free software licenses. Chris On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Daniel Berlin dan...@google.com wrote: On

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome Was: Re: MPEG-1 subset proposal for HTML5 video codec

2009-06-03 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:34:08 +0200, Chris DiBona cdib...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, this is really pretty difficult stuff. The lgpl is probably the least understood and most complicated free software licenses. Thanks for taking the time to explain it! -- Anne van Kesteren

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome Was: Re: MPEG-1 subset proposal for HTML5 video codec

2009-06-03 Thread Chris DiBona
I mostly wanted to explain our position on the use of the library and the LGPLs. Danny keeps it all straight for us. Happy hacking, everyone! Chris On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:34:08 +0200, Chris DiBona cdib...@gmail.com

Re: [whatwg] First or last Content-Type header?

2009-06-03 Thread Adam Barth
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Philip Taylor excors+wha...@gmail.com wrote: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/09/02/ie8-security-part-vi-beta-2-update.aspx - it's X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff now (and is used a bit in practice - it's on about 0.1% of pages from

Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Remarks on HTML5 (ASCII / Unicode)

2009-06-03 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
The definition of uppercasing in HTML does not apply to element names because getting them is covered by the DOM specification and not by the HTML specification. This is all right with me; I only think that saying to uppercase ASCII explicitly is not necessary. Chris

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Pre-Last Call Comments

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, Giovanni Campagna wrote: A few comments, as requested by Ian Hickson. - End of 2.2.1, a typo: JavsScript instead of Javascript Fixed. - From section 2.4.2 I don't understand if boolean attributes with invalid values represent true or false. In addition, I don't

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Pre-Last Call Comments

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: Now that classid is gone, what will be the workaround for ActiveX objects where they are needed? ActiveX controls are a vendor-specific technology, and thus not appropriate for explicit support in HTML5 (just like we dropped applet). The real

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Pre-Last Call Comments

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, João Eiras wrote: The spec does not forbid to use non supported attributes and elements. Actually, it does. I've just made the spec even clearer about this, though. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Pre-Last Call Comments

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, Christoph Päper wrote: Giovanni Campagna: - The second paragraph in 2.4.5.6 is hard to understand because the verb is at the end. I would rewrite as A week-year with a number *yr* has 53 weeks if corresponds to a year *yr* in the proleptic Gregorian calendar that has a

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Pre-Last Call Comments

2009-06-03 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
The validator generates an error for the classid attribute (in line with what the specification says, I think). An error, unlike a warning, breaks any complex process that depends on successful validation of the components. I think the specification text should be rephrased so that the validator

Re: [whatwg] on bibtex-in-html5

2009-06-03 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:05 PM, James Graham jgra...@opera.com wrote: Bruce D'Arcus wrote: So exactly what is the process by which this gets resolved? Is there one? Hixie will respond to substantive emails sent to this list at some point. However there are some hundreds of outstanding

[whatwg] clarification on ApplicationCaches cache failure steps

2009-06-03 Thread Andrei Popescu
Hi, I have a question about the Application Caches update process: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#application-cache-update-process In the event of a failure during the update process (e.g. some error reported when attempting to save the downloaded resources to stable storage), the

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Pre-Last Call Comments

2009-06-03 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Regarding http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/infrastructure. html#weeks: A week begins on Sunday, not on Monday. However, under the present assumption: Better: A week-year has 53 weeks if the first day of the year (January 1st) in the proleptic Gregorian calendar

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Pre-Last Call Comments

2009-06-03 Thread James Graham
Kristof Zelechovski wrote: Regarding http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/infrastructure. html#weeks: A week begins on Sunday, not on Monday. Not according to ISO [1] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_week_date

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Pre-Last Call Comments

2009-06-03 Thread Garrett Smith
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Giovanni Campagna scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote: A few comments, as requested by Ian Hickson. [...] - In section 3.3.3.7, instead of defining the syntax of style attributes, reference http://www.w3.org/TR/css-style-attr The style property has been part of

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Pre-Last Call Comments

2009-06-03 Thread Křištof Želechovski
It is possible to create no-script fallback without a NOSCRIPT element. You can put it into d...@class=noscript] and remove the DIV at run time. It is worth noting that XHTML 1.0, along with deprecating MAP/@name, still has the unrealistic assumption about usemap containing an arbitrary URI. I

Re: [whatwg] several messages

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, Jeff Creamer wrote: Hi. Since March of '06, Opera 9 has supported a custom extension to the canvas context called opera-2dgame. Importantly, their extension adds these methods: getPixel(x, y) Returns the pixel value (colour, opacity) at (x, y). Returned in the form

Re: [whatwg] Canvas - toTempURL - A dangerous proposal - Summary

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 8 Apr 2009, Charles Pritchard wrote: Legacy clients may have terrible support for extensibility. With some HTML consumers, base 64 encoded images are not usable in the global scope. To get around this, we proposed using toTempURL(), to save an image to the local temporary files

Re: [whatwg] optgroup element used for selection

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Randy Drielinger wrote: Currently (HTML4.01) and in the near-future HTML5 spec optgroup elements are used to group options (hence the name :-) and amongst others allow us to disable a group of option elements at once. Personally, I think it would make sense to add the

Re: [whatwg] localStorage behavior when cookies mode is session-only

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Honza Bambas wrote: In the W3C spec for localStorage http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/#the-localstorage-attribute is said to present it (the persistent storage) the same way as cookies. There were suggestion to throw DOM_QUOTA_ERROR exception when storing to

Re: [whatwg] localStorage behavior when cookies mode is session-only

2009-06-03 Thread Jeremy Orlow
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Honza Bambas wrote: In the W3C spec for localStorage http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/#the-localstorage-attribute is said to present it (the persistent storage) the same way as cookies. There were

[whatwg] Something better than DOM_QUOTA_ERROR when LocalStorage is immutable?

2009-06-03 Thread Jeremy Orlow
*Please, keep this on topic. There's no point to rehashing http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-April/019238.htmlor any of the other similar debates on private browsing and localStorage's persistence guarantees.* When in private browsing mode, WebKit should not write any data

Re: [whatwg] document.contentType

2009-06-03 Thread João Eiras
In HTML5, HTML elements in text/html are put in the XHTML namespace and text/html might contain SVG or MathML elements, so you probably want to conditionally call getElementsByTagNameNS based on e.g. the root element's namespaceURI rather than the document's HTMLness. I think the major

Re: [whatwg] Superset encodings [Re: ISO-8859-* and the C1 control range]

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
I haven't made any changes to the spec based on the feedback below. Let me know if there's anything I missed. I'm not aware of any specific problems at this time. On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Øistein E. Andersen wrote: On 22 May 2008, at 12:40, Ian Hickson wrote: Do you have input on the EUC-JP

Re: [whatwg] Superset encodings [Re: ISO-8859-* and the C1 control range]

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009, Øistein E. Andersen wrote: On 2 Sep 2008, at 06:06, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Øistein E. Andersen wrote: 1. Opera, Firefox and Safari all handle US-ASCII as Windows-1252. IE7, on the other hand, simply ignores the high bit (as it does for

Re: [whatwg] Superset encodings [Re: ISO-8859-* and the C1 control range]

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009, Øistein E. Andersen wrote: This e-mail is an attempt to give a relatively concise yet reasonably complete overview of non-Unicode character sets and encodings for `Chinese characters', excluding those which are not supported by at least one of the four browsers IE,

Re: [whatwg] The keygen element

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009, Nelson B Bolyard wrote: Yngve Nysaeter Pettersen wrote: The default format, introduced by Netscape, is the SPKAC format, see the above link, and includes the public key and the Keygen challenge attribute, and is signed by the private key. The actual standardized

Re: [whatwg] Nested optgroups

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Markus Ernst wrote: I found a message in the list archives from July 2004, where Ian announced to put nested optgroups back into the spec: http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2004-July/001200.html Anyway in the current spec, the optgroup element is not

Re: [whatwg] several messages

2009-06-03 Thread João Eiras
The ImageData APIs already provide the ability to do this and are already supported by Firefox, Opera and Safari. Given the ImageData APIs, and given that they are generally more efficient at the typical use cases for getPixel/setPixel, I haven't added getPixel/ setPixel to the spec. Cheers,

Re: [whatwg] native ordered dictionary data type in web storage draft

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009, Patrick Mueller wrote: The last paragraph in section 4.6 of the Web Storage draft (10 April 2009), mentions a native ordered dictionary data type. The URL to the section in the draft is here: http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/#database-query-results This is the

[whatwg] Canvas extensions from opera-2dgame

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, João Eiras wrote: The opera-2dgame context also has APIs for collision detection and control painting http://my.opera.com/WebApplications/blog/show.dml/200788 I'm not familiar with the current canvas spec, but are these features supported somehow? Or would they have the

Re: [whatwg] A few comments on the keygen tag

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009, Anders Rundgren wrote: Now to the really problematic stuff: keygen is not really an HTML tag, it is actually 2 phases of a 3-phase key provisioning protocol. I don't see why a protocol should be plugged into a page GUI. The alternatives all use APIs or specific

Re: [whatwg] Vulgar fractions

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, �istein E. Andersen wrote: Currently, only a limited set of vulgar fractions can be expressed in HTML, viz, those that exist as pre-composed characters in Unicode. (For example, 16ths and 32nds, which are often used with imperial units, are not included.) This can be

Re: [whatwg] scope of link type license

2009-06-03 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: I am unsure on what scope the current document should have in subsection 5.11.3.9 (Link type license) of the spec and how it functions (or should play) together with sectioning. Let us consider this example, a creative-commons-licensed

Re: [whatwg] document.contentType

2009-06-03 Thread Boris Zbarsky
João Eiras wrote: I think the major advantage of document.contentType is to know the value of the Content-Type header (without charset) sent by the server. That's not what document.contentType returns in Gecko, though... (especially if the server-sent value was empty, or didn't parse as a

Re: [whatwg] Nested optgroups

2009-06-03 Thread Brett Zamir
Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Markus Ernst wrote: I found a message in the list archives from July 2004, where Ian announced to put nested optgroups back into the spec: http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2004-July/001200.html Anyway in the current spec, the

Re: [whatwg] Vulgar fractions

2009-06-03 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Since HTML5 supports MathML natively now, it seems that MathML is the solution to use here. Actually, it seems to me that the best solution is for browsers to support the unicode fraction slash [U+2044], unless that has too bad

Re: [whatwg] Pre-Last Call Comments

2009-06-03 Thread Andrew W. Hagen
In current-work, section 4.6.6, there is this explanation of the small element: Small print is typically legalese describing disclaimers, caveats, legal restrictions, or copyrights. Small print is also sometimes used for attribution. This paragraph should be removed. Please do not advocate,

[whatwg] the cite element

2009-06-03 Thread Andrew W. Hagen
The cite element should be slightly changed. Under this proposal, the cite element should be used only for titles of works, but may be used for other things that web authors may wish to cite. This conforms with how the cite element is used in practice. In the current HTML 5 specification, the