On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
The long and short of this is that if we solve this problem today, the
solution will be abused as much as the current API, and we'll have to
introduce yet another solution when high-res backing stores are common. So
instead I'm
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
The long and short of this is that if we solve this problem today, the
solution will be abused as much as the current API, and we'll have to
introduce yet another solution when
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
There's no practical difference as far as I can tell between hoping that
we can reuse the API, and then finding we can't, and introducing a second
API for high-res screens; and just giving up now and saying that it's a
low-res
Actually aligning vulgar fractions is not even a CSS thing, it is an
OpenType thing.
Chris
Comparing Daily Motion to Youtube is disingenuous. If yt were to
switch to theora and maintain even a semblance of the current youtube
quality it would take up most available bandwidth across the internet.
The most recent public number was just over 1 billion video streams a
day, and I've seen
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Chris DiBonacdib...@gmail.com wrote:
Comparing Daily Motion to Youtube is disingenuous.
Much less so than comparing promotion of H.264-in-video via
Google's sites and client to support for legacy proprietary content
via plugin APIs, I would say. But also, I
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Chris DiBonacdib...@gmail.com wrote:
I tried funding dirac a while back, to some good end, and we provide
students, but here's the challenge: Can theora move forward without
infringing on the other video compression patents?
We certainly believe so, but I'm
We certainly believe so, but I'm certainly not qualified to evaluate
the different techniques.
Would Theora inherently be any less able to than any other codec
system, though? I hope you're not saying that it has to be H.264
forever, given the spectre of the streaming license changes at the
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Chris DiBonacdib...@gmail.com wrote:
No, but it is what I worry about. How agressive will mpeg.la be in
their interpretation of the direction that theora is going? I don't
think that is a reason to stop the current development direction (or
the funding of it)
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Chris DiBonacdib...@gmail.com wrote:
actually shipping with Theora (also on android, too)
I was looking for a reference to this, but haven't found anything yet.
http://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/media-formats.html lists
Vorbis, but not Theora, and I
Let me ask David Sparks and see where it went, I remember we had it in
the inital drops, or thought we did.
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Mike Shavermike.sha...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Chris DiBonacdib...@gmail.com wrote:
actually shipping with Theora (also on
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Chris DiBonacdib...@gmail.com wrote:
Let me ask David Sparks and see where it went, I remember we had it in
the inital drops, or thought we did.
That'd be great -- all I can find reference to is Vorbis, as used for
the ringtones and system sounds (righteous!)
Also sprach Chris DiBona:
I don't think the bandwidth delta is very much with recent (and
format-compatible) improvements to the Theora encoders, if it's even
in H.264's favour any more, but I'd rather get data than share
suppositions. Can you send me a link to raw video for the clip
Mike Shaver wrote:
b) bandwidth concerns (but even if Theora took _double_ the bandwidth,
and _all_ the content was converted overnight, that's still only a 25%
increase in bandwidth, plus a few percent for Chrome when it ships
video as well)
Actually, looking at
It'll take a little while, I'm travelling a bit this month (brazil ,
new york, etc..)
Chris
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Håkon Wium Liehowc...@opera.com wrote:
Also sprach Chris DiBona:
I don't think the bandwidth delta is very much with recent (and
format-compatible) improvements
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
Perhaps then you wouldn't mind sharing the rough breakdown of how many
YouTube distributed videos are the 'high quality' files which are
encoded in H.264 and only provided on user-request vs the normal
quality, which is provided by default, and which doesn't use H.264.
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Chris DiBonacdib...@gmail.com wrote:
It'll take a little while, I'm travelling a bit this month (brazil ,
new york, etc..)
Yep, I'll reach out to the o3d guys directly as well, see if they have
the source video for that clip. More than happy to do the
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Maik Merten maikmer...@googlemail.comwrote:
Mike Shaver wrote:
Yep, I'll reach out to the o3d guys directly as well, see if they have
the source video for that clip. More than happy to do the
measurements on this side, I know what a pain travel can be...
2009/6/13 Mike Shaver mike.sha...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Chris DiBonacdib...@gmail.com wrote:
No, but it is what I worry about. How agressive will mpeg.la be in
their interpretation of the direction that theora is going? I don't
think that is a reason to stop the current
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Frank Hellenkampjo...@depagecms.net wrote:
[snip]
Well, the thing is (perhabs unfortunately because of patents and
liscensing) that you can use h264 with the video tag (in safari and
chrome), but at the same time you can send the same video to every old
browser
Frank Hellenkamp wrote:
Well, the thing is (perhabs unfortunately because of patents and
liscensing) that you can use h264 with the video tag (in safari and
chrome), but at the same time you can send the same video to every old
browser with the flash player 9 or 10, because it also supports
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Mike Shavermike.sha...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Chris DiBonacdib...@gmail.com wrote:
If Youtube is held back by client compatibility, they should be glad
that we're working hard to move ~25% of the web to having Theora
support in the
Boris Zbarsky wrote:
It's not that hard, it's an extra four or five lines of code to fill
in multiple pixels in a square (two nested for-loops and an expression
or two to work out what the limit is). Compared to the maths such code
would be doing anyway, this is trivial stuff.
The hard part
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Chris DiBonacdib...@gmail.com wrote:
Comparing Daily Motion to Youtube is disingenuous. If yt were to
switch to theora and maintain even a semblance of the current youtube
quality it would take up most available bandwidth across the internet.
[snip]
I'm not
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