Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-24 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: That sounds to me like a good reason to declare a freeze at last call, and release an immutable beta 1 on which comments can be made. Then close the comment period on

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-24 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Manu Sporny wrote: Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: Problem: A Kitchen Sink Specification Ian recently implemented a way to hide or highlight the UA guidelines that confuse so many more casual readers. Does this help? (I know it helps me. ^_^) If I knew it existed it might have helped a bit. Even now

Re: [whatwg] due consideration

2009-07-24 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Larry Masinter wrote: “When people's opinions are ultimately rejected, it is not without due consideration first.” The word “consider” is used inconsistently, and the result is confusion. I am willing to believe the confusion isn’t deliberate. In some

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-24 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon
Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: That being said, inline spec comments sound interesting. Can you expand on this? Are these meant to be private and only shown to Ian? Shown to everything who views the spec (optionally, of course)? Sent to the mailing list? If

[whatwg] inline spec feedback (was: Re: A New Way Forward for HTML5)

2009-07-24 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:44:55 +0200, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Joseph Pecoraro wrote: Alt-Double Click doesn't sound very discoverable. Even if I knew that shortcut I'd probably forget at some point. Maybe having something position:fixed would be better because

Re: [whatwg] .tags on HTMLCollections

2009-07-24 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:56:15 +0200, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: Anne van Kesteren wrote: From what I heard so far it is there because of document.all. If document.all does indeed need to return a separate object as HTML5 suggests we can probably remove it from HTMLCollection in

Re: [whatwg] due consideration

2009-07-24 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Maciej Stachowiakm...@apple.com wrote: Ian gives more careful consideration and more thorough responses to comments than any other specification editor I have seen in action. I've commented on many W3C standards and many times I've seen comments raising serious

[whatwg] Microdata and Linked Data

2009-07-24 Thread Peter Mika
Hi All, I've been taking a closer look at microdata. While I like the proposal in general, in particular the chance to unite microformat style annotations with some of the Semantic Web formalism (such as URIs for objects), there are still a number of points that I feel could be improved. So

Re: [whatwg] due consideration

2009-07-24 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
The point I do not doubt of Ian's good faith, nor of his huge effort in making HTML5 the best possible thing it might be. However, I doubt of the sanity of having an individual to have the final say about any topic, I don't doubt the sanity of it at all. even above expert groups that have

Re: [whatwg] Microdata and Linked Data

2009-07-24 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Peter Mikapm...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: [...] #2 The other area that could be possibly improved is the connection of type identifiers with ontologies on the web. I would actually like the notion of  reverse domain names if -- there would be an explicit

Re: [whatwg] Microdata and Linked Data

2009-07-24 Thread Peter Mika
Yes, #2 and #4 are quite related in that they both concern the abbreviation mechanism for URIs and might be considered alternative proposals. On the other hand, on #4, you are opening the gate to independent entities (be them organizations or individuals) to define the prefixes they would be

[whatwg] Type of PropertyNodeList.contents

2009-07-24 Thread Andrew Oakley
PropertyNodeList.contents seems to be defined differently in the IDL and the text related to it. The IDL says: typedef sequenceany PropertyValueArray; interface PropertyNodeList : NodeList { attribute PropertyValueArray contents; }; The description says: The contents DOM

Re: [whatwg] Microdata and Linked Data

2009-07-24 Thread Peter Mika
Fair point. Just brainstorming here: how about making about an attribute? div item id=amanda about=http://;/div pName: span subject=amanda itemprop=nameAmanda/span/p We still have two identifiers, but at least giving the URI is simplified. Best, Peter Julian Reschke wrote: Peter Mika

Re: [whatwg] Selectable category tree, nested optgroups?

2009-07-24 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
2009/7/9 Oldřich Vetešník vetes...@mrmil.cz: Hi, Imagine you have a (for example) category tree like this: * Cars  * Sporty  * Limo    * 18 wheeler  * Bloody good  * Big * Places to live in  * Villa  * Flat  * Under bridge ... and you are to select one for your article of some

Re: [whatwg] .tags on HTMLCollections

2009-07-24 Thread Boris Zbarsky
Anne van Kesteren wrote: They are indeed distinct, but do share the same interface name in Opera the moment, as far as I can tell... Oh, the _name_ is shared in Gecko too. Just not anything else. ;) In any case, my point was that we'd be ok with removing the tags member from

[whatwg] Section 3.3.3.2 Attribute value normalization and title attributes

2009-07-24 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
A technical point that may perhaps have already been considered. Section 3.3.3.2 states If the title attribute's value contains U+000A LINE FEED (LF) characters, the content is split into multiple lines. Each U+000A LINE FEED (LF) character represents a line break. However this is incompatible

[whatwg] Close events and workers

2009-07-24 Thread Drew Wilson
I noticed that Section 4.6 of the Web Workers spec still refers to the close event which has been removed: If the script gets aborted by the kill a worker#122aa363b1e6e893_kill-a-worker algorithm, then that same algorithm will cause there to only be a singletask in the event loop at the next

[whatwg] Images whose contents are not known In such cases, the alt attribute's value may be omitted...

2009-07-24 Thread Darxus
I object. -- The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poly', meaning 'many', and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'. - Larry Hardiman http://www.ChaosReigns.com Guns save lives.

Re: [whatwg] Images whose contents are not known In such cases, the alt attribute's value may be omitted...

2009-07-24 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:07 PM, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: I object. For reference, Darxus is referring to http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/embedded-content-0.html#unknown-images. Now, care to clarify? A two-word objection is essentially useless for anyone, and

Re: [whatwg] Make quoted attributes a conformance criteria

2009-07-24 Thread Keryx Web
On 2009-07-23 20:32, Eduard Pascual wrote: While I don't consider a hard requirement would be appropriate, there is an audience sector this discussion seems to be ignoring: Authoring Tools' developers. IMO, it would be highly desirable to have some guidelines for these tools to determine when

[whatwg] Submitting comments form within the spec itself

2009-07-24 Thread Ian Hickson
Based on recent discussions I've implemented a little text box that lets you file bugs straight from the spec itself. Comments submitted in this way are anonymous (well, your IP is logged publicly, but that's all). Please only use it for short issues like typos! Technical topics with any kind

Re: [whatwg] Make quoted attributes a conformance criteria

2009-07-24 Thread Bil Corry
Keryx Web wrote on 7/24/2009 2:52 PM: In that post I talked about a common scenario. One developer works on the business logic. It puts out attribute values. Another developer works on the presentation logic. He makes templates. Dev 2 omits the quotes and for a long time it might work, since

Re: [whatwg] Make quoted attributes a conformance criteria

2009-07-24 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Bil Corryb...@corry.biz wrote: That's a classic XSS vulnerability.  The backend developer must know if there are quotes or not in the template, then encode/sanitize the value accordingly. It's not XSS if the values are statically provided by the first developer

Re: [whatwg] Make quoted attributes a conformance criteria

2009-07-24 Thread Bil Corry
Aryeh Gregor wrote on 7/24/2009 5:44 PM: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Bil Corryb...@corry.biz wrote: That's a classic XSS vulnerability. The backend developer must know if there are quotes or not in the template, then encode/sanitize the value accordingly. It's not XSS if the values