Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes

2009-08-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: I suspect I'm missing something obvious but is there a way to turn off the little status boxes in the left margins on the draft

Re: [whatwg] object behavior

2009-08-06 Thread Boris Zbarsky
Andrew Oakley wrote: Most notably HTML5 says that the Content-Type header is used in preference to the type attribute, whereas the browsers seem to honour the attribute in preference to the header. Firefox hasn't done that (at least across the board) since Firefox 3.0 shipped. Note that the

Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes

2009-08-06 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
Same issue on Firefox 3.5.1 Mac at various font sizes. :-( -- Elliotte Rusty Harold elh...@ibiblio.org

[whatwg] Section 1.7 abstract language

2009-08-06 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
This specification defines an abstract language for describing documents and applications, and some APIs for interacting with in-memory representations of resources that use this language. The phrase abstract language concerns me. It's not clear to me that a language can be abstract, nor is it

[whatwg] HTML5: compatible with all legacy Web browsers

2009-08-06 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
Section 1.7: The first such concrete syntax is HTML5. This is the format recommended for most authors. It is compatible with all legacy Web browsers. I challenge the claim that HTML5 is compatible with *all* legacy Web browsers. I can produce valid HTML 4 documents today that are not compatible

[whatwg] Section 1.7 editorial

2009-08-06 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
The first such concrete syntax is HTML5. This is the format recommended for most authors. It is compatible with all legacy Web browsers. If a document is transmitted with the MIME type text/html, then it will be processed as an HTML5 document by Web browsers. The second concrete syntax uses XML,

[whatwg] 2.1.1 (they are in the per-element partition)

2009-08-06 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
I suggest deleting the parenthetical remark (they are in the per-element partition). I'm not sure what this term means. I've never encountered either partition or per-element partition in an XML namespace context before. And as best as I can guess the meaning, it doesn't seem very accurate.

Re: [whatwg] Editorial: 1.9 DOCTYPE HTML

2009-08-06 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Elliotte Rusty Haroldelh...@ibiblio.org wrote: Section 1.9 uses this DOCTYPE twice: !DOCTYPE HTML Unless the intention is to demonstrate case-insensisitivity, which doesn't seem to be the case since that's not otherwise mentioned in this section, I think this

[whatwg] Test results for xmlns:foo attribute preservation across all browsers

2009-08-06 Thread Manu Sporny
With thanks to the CTO of our company, Dave Longley, we have run a set of preliminary tests across a number of browsers to determine if and when xmlns:-style attributes are preserved. The test ensures that attributes originating in the markup of an HTML4 document are preserved by the HTML parser

Re: [whatwg] Test results for xmlns:foo attribute preservation across all browsers

2009-08-06 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:12:07 -0400, Manu Sporny mspo...@digitalbazaar.com wrote: The test ensures that attributes originating in the markup of an HTML4 document are preserved by the HTML parser and are preserved in the DOM. [...]

[whatwg] 2.1.6 Editorial actually

2009-08-06 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
the image actually also contained animation data. delete actually. It adds nothing to the sentence. -- Elliotte Rusty Harold elh...@ibiblio.org

[whatwg] HTML 5 Script Tag

2009-08-06 Thread Cready, James
Is there any good reason why a script tag with the src attribute specified can¹t be self-closing? I understand the need for a script tag to have an open and close tag when you¹re executing javascript inline: script type=text/javascript alert(Huzzah! I got executed just like you though I

[whatwg] 2.2 editorial

2009-08-06 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
Applications and tools that process HTML and XHTML documents for reasons other than to either render the documents or check them for conformance should act in accordance to the semantics of the documents that they process.2.2 editorial in accordance to -- in accordance with -- Elliotte Rusty

[whatwg] 2.2 Performant

2009-08-06 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
In particular, the algorithms defined in this specification are intended to be easy to follow, and not intended to be performant. Yech. The recently coined word performant just grates on my ears; and I'm not the only one as a Google search will show:

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 Script Tag

2009-08-06 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Cready, Jamesjcre...@rtcrm.com wrote: Is there any good reason why a script tag with the src attribute specified can’t be self-closing? Because the HTML serialization should be parseable by legacy user-agents. script src=foo / will be treated the same as script

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 Script Tag

2009-08-06 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Cready, Jamesjcre...@rtcrm.com wrote: Is there any good reason why a script tag with the src attribute specified can’t be self-closing? I understand the need for a script tag to have an open and close tag when you’re executing javascript inline: script

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 Script Tag

2009-08-06 Thread Greg Houston
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Cready, Jamesjcre...@rtcrm.com wrote: Is there any good reason why a script tag with the src attribute specified can’t be self-closing? ... I feel like, if you’re including an external JS file, the syntax should look more like the link tag used to include CSS

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 Script Tag

2009-08-06 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Greg Houstongregory.hous...@gmail.com wrote: This makes sense to me as well. Last week a user of my framework posted to the forums asking for help. The JavaScript was not loading, and it turned out he was trying to self-close the script tags in the header. So

Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes

2009-08-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: Same issue on Firefox 3.5.1 Mac at various font sizes. :-( On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Justin Lebar wrote: Happens to me on Ubuntu 9.04 with FF 3.5.2. Screenshot at [1] http://stanford.edu/~jlebar/moz/screen1.png Do either of you have a minimum

Re: [whatwg] Test results for xmlns:foo attribute preservation across all browsers

2009-08-06 Thread Bil Corry
Charles McCathieNevile wrote on 8/6/2009 2:24 PM: Opera 10 - Opera/9.80 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X; U; en) Presto/2.2.15 Version/10.00 (yeah, the UA string is like that because important websites with browser sniffing check version numbers, but only the first digit. I.e. they can't count

Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes

2009-08-06 Thread Smylers
Ian Hickson writes: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: the little status boxes in the left margins on the draft spec? They seem to cover some of the text I'd like to read. If they cover up any of the text, that is a bug. I experienced this recently with a minimum font

[whatwg] MessagePorts and message delivery ordering

2009-08-06 Thread Drew Wilson
I was writing some unit tests for SharedWorkers, and I saw some behavior that seems to be spec compliant, but which was counter-intuitive from a developer standpoint. Let's say that you have two message ports - some other window or a shared worker owns the other end of those ports. You then do

Re: [whatwg] MessagePorts and message delivery ordering

2009-08-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Drew Wilson wrote: I was writing some unit tests for SharedWorkers, and I saw some behavior that seems to be spec compliant, but which was counter-intuitive from a developer standpoint. Let's say that you have two message ports - some other window or a shared worker owns

Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes

2009-08-06 Thread Justin Lebar
Unbeknownst to me, I had a minimum font size of 12pt set. FWIW, I don't remember setting this, so it may have been a default. -Justin On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: Same issue on Firefox 3.5.1 Mac at various

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 Script Tag

2009-08-06 Thread Cready, James
You make a great point. But whether or not you use the XML/XHTML syntax/ or the HTML 4 syntax doesn¹t matter much. Since like I showed in my previous example: the instant you specify a src attribute on your opening script tag the browser will not execute anything inside the tags. Regardless of

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 Script Tag

2009-08-06 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Cready, Jamesjcre...@rtcrm.com wrote: You make a great point. But whether or not you use the XML/XHTML syntax/ or the HTML 4 syntax doesn¹t matter much. Since like I showed in my previous example: the instant you specify a src attribute on your opening script

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 Script Tag

2009-08-06 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Cready, Jamesjcre...@rtcrm.com wrote: You make a great point. But whether or not you use the XML/XHTML syntax/ or the HTML 4 syntax doesn¹t matter much. Since like I showed in my previous example: the instant you specify a src attribute on your opening script

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 Script Tag

2009-08-06 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Tab Atkins Jr.jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: script src is the way it is.  It's inconsistent, but that's how generations of browsers have worked.  Trying to change it in the way you suggest not only doesn't work in legacy browsers, it *actively breaks* pages in

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 Script Tag

2009-08-06 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Cready, Jamesjcre...@rtcrm.com wrote: You make a great point. But whether or not you use the XML/XHTML syntax/ or the HTML 4 syntax doesn¹t matter much. Since like I showed in my previous example: the instant you specify a src attribute on your opening script

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 Script Tag

2009-08-06 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Aryeh Gregorsimetrical+...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Tab Atkins Jr.jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: script src is the way it is.  It's inconsistent, but that's how generations of browsers have worked.  Trying to change it in the way you suggest

Re: [whatwg] scripts, defer, document.write and DOMContentLoaded

2009-08-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Boris Zbarsky wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: I've changed the spec to do external deferred src=ed scripts at the end of document load (blowing away the document as before), and inline deferred scripts as soon as innerHTML is set, if it is set, or else along with other

[whatwg] Possible typo in application cache section

2009-08-06 Thread Darin Adler
6.9.4, paragraph 7 says, “applications caches never include fragment identifiers” and I think this should just be “application caches”. -- Darin

[whatwg] BWTP for WebSocket transfer protocol

2009-08-06 Thread Greg Wilkins
All, on the IETF Hybi mailing list there has been some discussion regarding the protocol that should carry WebSockets. There was considerable divided opinions about the style of protocol that would be most appropriate and what level of features should be supported etc. That conversation ground

Re: [whatwg] An BinaryArchive API for HTML5?

2009-08-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Gregg Tavares wrote: Do you have some suggestions for how the data could be transferred most efficiently to the glBufferData call? As far as I know there is no tag which could be used to refer to the binary file within the archive. If there were then

Re: [whatwg] File API features in HTML5

2009-08-06 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: With Arun's announcement of a stable File API spec [1], I have now updated HTML5 to handle the use cases listed below. [1] http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/FileUpload/publish/FileAPI.html On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, ivan vadovic wrote: