Re: [whatwg] Need document.available_fonts() call

2010-05-11 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 16:14 +0200, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 11 May 2010 16:08:01 +0200, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 5/11/10 9:39 AM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Is there really much of a need for this though? Good question. What _is_ the use case here, exactly? E.g

Re: [whatwg] meta=encrypt tag is needed

2010-05-07 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 17:06 +, Juuso Hukkanen wrote: answer 1: Most servers are already configured to read the requested pages before submitting those over the internet. What do you base this on? I can't say I've ever seen a server set up to parse HTML content For example my above

Re: [whatwg] meta=encrypt tag is needed

2010-05-07 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 13:21 -0700, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Juuso Hukkanen juuso_ht...@tele3d.net wrote: 1) Man-in-the-middle problem; which doesn't exists because a) those are just academic mind games You don't get to talk about security anymore.

Re: [whatwg] RFC: input type=username

2010-05-06 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 14:54 +0200, Thomas Broyer wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Mounir Lamouri wrote: On 05/06/2010 12:09 PM, Thomas Broyer wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Markus Ernst derer...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 05.05.2010 23:06 schrieb Schalk Neethling: The way I see

Re: [whatwg] link by name instead of url

2010-04-28 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 12:45 +0300, Eitan Adler wrote: This is an idea I've had in my head for a while and I think it might make an useful addition to HTML5 standard. As this is just an idea I didn't work out all the details. I'm just looking to see if this is something that might be accepted.

Re: [whatwg] img as a layout tool to describe the displayed region of a CSS background-image

2010-04-28 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 13:31 +0200, Ingo Chao wrote: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-img-element The img must not be used as a layout tool. In particular, img elements should not be used to display transparent images, as they rarely convey meaning and rarely add anything useful

Re: [whatwg] img as a layout tool to describe the displayed region of a CSS background-image

2010-04-28 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 13:41 +0200, Giorgio Maone wrote: I believe the spec is trying to stigmatize old-times spacer images used to layout other HTML elements, like img src=spacer.gif width=100 height=1 which are overly ugly and meaningless now that there's nothing you can't layout by

Re: [whatwg] Directory upload via input type=file directory

2010-04-22 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 15:37 -0700, John Gregg wrote: The use case is not about choosing a directory for some browser functionality, it is really about choosing a directory that you want to upload to a web page, such as a collection of photo albums. -John From Ian Fette's original email

Re: [whatwg] Directory upload via input type=file directory

2010-04-07 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 10:46 +0100, Diogo Resende wrote: I don't understand. I think in a Choose File Dialog you can pick multiple items. And as far as I know folders are mixed with files on the list (that's how you navigate between folders on this dialog). Why not choose multiple

Re: [whatwg] Directory upload via input type=file directory

2010-04-07 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 11:03 +0100, Diogo Resende wrote: No, most usually in a choose file dialogue, if you select a directory instead of a file, the Open button actually opens that directory and shows you the files in it. This is expected bahavior, or how else would you navigate you

Re: [whatwg] Directory upload via input type=file directory

2010-04-07 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 15:52 +0100, Diogo Resende wrote: On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 11:28 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Double-click can only be performed by people using a mouse. What about people suffering RSI who might prefer to use a keyboard? Have you ever tried to navigate one of those

Re: [whatwg] borders on images inside links

2010-04-07 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 17:45 -0700, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Steve Dennis ad...@subcide.com wrote: On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, L. Ian Hickson wrote: Personally, my opinion is that images in links should have borders because otherwise how do you know it's a link?

Re: [whatwg] Changing punctuation value of input element in telephone state

2010-04-06 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 23:12 +0200, Mounir Lamouri wrote: Hi, For input element in telephone state [1] specs say User agents may change the punctuation of values that the user enters. I do not really get it. What is the idea ? [1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/forms.html#telephone-state

Re: [whatwg] Directory upload via input type=file directory

2010-04-06 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 14:28 -0700, John Gregg wrote: The most relevant issue is that in Windows/Mac/Linux, there are no system dialogs that let the user select either a folder or a file. They each have separate choose a file and choose a folder dialogs. I think the logical reason for that

Re: [whatwg] Changing punctuation value of input element in telephone state

2010-04-06 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 01:28 +0200, Eduard Pascual wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: If there was a true standard, then the spec would refer to that, but as you say, it's very varied in practice. There is quite a standard, even if an implicit one:

Re: [whatwg] Using fonts stored on servers

2010-04-03 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sat, 2010-04-03 at 23:25 +0200, Onsemeliot wrote: Hi people, I hope nobody is offended if I start being a member of this group by asking for a feature in the new standard. I'm a web designer and try to stick to clear standards in order to get the best results on various systems, but

Re: [whatwg] idea for .zhtml format #html5 #web

2010-04-02 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 12:37 +0530, narendra sisodiya wrote: just a thought ___ You can view the first webpage create on earth. We have saved our file from .txt .rtf .doc and now .odt. I love ODF format (.odt and other things) but there is a scope for .zhtml format for document and

Re: [whatwg] Simple Links

2010-03-30 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 23:44 +0200, Christoph Päper wrote: If you think about various syntax variants of wiki systems they’ve got one thing in common that makes them preferable to direct HTML input: easy links! (Local ones at least, whatever that means.) The best known example is probably

Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 10:29 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: 2010/3/28 Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com: When the img tag was made, all browsers initially supported BMPs, didn't they? Nobody complained about implementing support for an image format. The GIF format made things hairy

Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 13:11 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:49, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 10:29 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: 2010/3/28 Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com: When the img tag was made, all

Re: [whatwg] window.print() when printing is not supported

2010-03-27 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 13:50 +, Aaron Franco wrote: Hello, My name is Aaron Franco. I'm a web developer and CTO of nothingGrinder: http://blog.nothingGrinder.com I'm new to this whole WHATWG process and environment so please be patient with me. I'm wondering if the H264 is

Re: [whatwg] summary tag to help avoid redundancy of meta description tag!?

2010-03-19 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 13:43 +0100, Roger Hågensen wrote: On 2010-03-18 10:04, Ashley Sheridan wrote: The main problem with that would be that parsers would then need to read into the body of the page to produce a description of your site. This might not produce much of an overhead

Re: [whatwg] summary tag to help avoid redundancy of meta description tag!?

2010-03-19 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 15:43 +0100, Roger Hågensen wrote: On 2010-03-19 15:17, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Search engines and people are not the only content parsers. Sure, you would expect a parser to maybe look further into the content if the description meta tag was missing, but imagine

Re: [whatwg] summary tag to help avoid redundancy of meta description tag!?

2010-03-18 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 03:37 +0100, Roger Hågensen wrote: I searched the list, and looked at the HTML5 briefly and found nothing, nor can I ever recall such. So this is both a question and a proposal. On my own site currently I mostly replicate the first paragraph of an article in my

Re: [whatwg] Processing image map area elements in the Circle state (section 4.8.13.2)

2010-03-18 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 19:39 +, Alex Bishop wrote: In the processing model for image maps (section 4.8.13.2), step 8 of the processing instructions for area elements says that if the shape attribute is in the Circle state: Let x be the first number in coords, y be the second number,

Re: [whatwg] Lifting cross-origin XMLHttpRequest restrictions?

2010-03-12 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 23:50 -0800, Michal Zalewski wrote: Servers are already free to obtain and mix in content from other sites, so why can't client-side HTML JavaScript be similarly empowered? I can see two reasons: 1) Users may not be happy about the ability for web applications to

Re: [whatwg] Inconsistent behavior for empty-string URLs

2010-03-11 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 17:53 +0100, Simon Pieters wrote: On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:40:31 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Simon Pieters wrote: I've now looked at a selection of random URLs. Conclusion: None of these seem to need a request to be made. img

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen for HTML5 Video element

2010-03-09 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 03:00 +0100, Remco wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 02:46, David Singer sin...@apple.com wrote: Kiosks and the like fall into the category where the user agent, hardware platform, and so on, are known in advance, so proprietary extensions or other special methods work

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen for HTML5 Video element

2010-03-09 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 04:47 -0600, Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 03:00 +0100, Remco wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 02:46, David Singer sin

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen for HTML5 Video element

2010-03-09 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 05:05 -0600, Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote: 2010/3/9 Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 04:47 -0600, Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴ ンパ) wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Ashley Sheridan

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen for HTML5 Video element

2010-03-08 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 14:35 +0530, balachandar muruganantham wrote: Hi, I have heard from people that there have been a discussion on supporting the fullscreen mode for HTML5 video element. can anyone share the information on the conclusion we arrived at? i searched in the archive but i

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen for HTML5 Video element

2010-03-08 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 06:24 -0600, Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 14:35 +0530, balachandar muruganantham wrote: Hi, I

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen for HTML5 Video element

2010-03-08 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 12:48 +, Tim Hutt wrote: 2010/3/8 Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk Also, I've never seen anything built in Flash that started up in full-screen mode automatically. I had to trigger it explicitly every time by an action from me. That was his point

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen for HTML5 Video element

2010-03-08 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 13:31 +, Tim Hutt wrote: On 8 March 2010 13:16, Nils Dagsson Moskopp nils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: Tim Hutt tdh...@gmail.com schrieb am Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:48:30 +: 2010/3/8 Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk Also, I've never

Re: [whatwg] borders on images inside links

2010-03-02 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 01:56 -0800, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Mar 2, 2010, at 1:41 AM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: 2) I do not believe the proposed rule is a good default for either documents or applications. It looks ugly. I randomly checked 10 of the sites I browse most often and I

Re: [whatwg] borders on images inside links

2010-03-02 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 12:45 +0200, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:14, Ashley Sheridan wrote: The majority of browsers render images within links as having a border Do you mean the majority of browser installed base (IE's installed base plus Firefox's)? Of the 5 top browsers

Re: [whatwg] Multiple file download

2010-02-25 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 19:13 -0500, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: Ideally I guess then, the browsers would support .tar.gz files as these give much better compression than .zip. ZIP and gzip give comparable

Re: [whatwg] Multiple file download

2010-02-23 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 10:10 +, Jose Fandos wrote: Currently there are implementations allowing multiple file upload without the need for flash or java applets. What doesn't seem to be there, unless a java applet is used (haven't come across one using flash) is the multiple file

Re: [whatwg] Multiple file download

2010-02-23 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 18:12 +, Jose Fandos wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 2/23/10 5:10 AM, Jose Fandos wrote: What doesn't seem to be there, unless a java applet is used (haven't

Re: [whatwg] Multiple file download

2010-02-23 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 21:27 +, Jose Fandos wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Tim Hutt tdh...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 February 2010 18:12, Jose Fandos iaminlon...@gmail.com wrote: 2) A multipart response with the files as parts, each part having

Re: [whatwg] Multiple file download

2010-02-23 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 00:02 +0100, And Clover wrote: Boris Zbarsky wrote: or fixing UAs to only prompt once, to inventing yet another package format here. I'd go further: why not just give UAs an option to decompress a ZIP archive (or potentially other recognised archive format) to

Re: [whatwg] Multiple file download

2010-02-23 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 22:50 -0500, Brian Campbell wrote: On Feb 23, 2010, at 6:02 PM, And Clover wrote: Boris Zbarsky wrote: or fixing UAs to only prompt once, to inventing yet another package format here. I'd go further: why not just give UAs an option to decompress a ZIP

Re: [whatwg] Customize HTML5 forms placeholder style

2010-02-22 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 11:08 +, Dean Edwards wrote: On 22 February 2010 01:18, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 2/21/10 7:11 PM, Dean Edwards wrote: Why not just extend :empty to include input with no value? Because that's not backwards-compatible and in fact violates the

Re: [whatwg] Customize HTML5 forms placeholder style

2010-02-22 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 14:21 -0500, Aryeh Gregor wrote: Okay, I think the requirement for a solution here should be: authors should not have to worry about their inputs looking bad if they recolor them without taking placeholders into account. The placeholder can't just take on the same color

Re: [whatwg] Video tag in IE

2010-02-21 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sun, 2010-02-21 at 20:26 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: I thought the list might appreciate this news regarding plugin-added video/ support in Internet Explorer: http://cristianadam.blogspot.com/2010/02/ie-tag-take-two.html Isn't that just a plugin being used to display content that

Re: [whatwg] Mistyping of title end tag causes white page

2010-02-20 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sat, 2010-02-20 at 15:23 -0800, Adam Barth wrote: I think the way WebKit handles this case is by re-parsing if the title tag eats the whole document. Adam On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Nikita Popov pri...@ni-po.com wrote: I noticed, that mistyping the ending title tag causes a

Re: [whatwg] Customize HTML5 forms placeholder style

2010-02-18 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 22:48 +0100, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:29:14 +0100, Mounir Lamouri mounir.lamo...@gmail.com wrote: I am working on placeholder implementation on Gecko and I am face of the placeholder style customization. Indeed, a website can style the

Re: [whatwg] Customize HTML5 forms placeholder style

2010-02-18 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 17:07 -0500, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 2/18/10 4:54 PM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: What about a new selector for these sorts of elements? The topic of this thread is what form this selector should take and how it should work. To me it seems logical that you shouldn't

Re: [whatwg] Customize HTML5 forms placeholder style

2010-02-18 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 16:21 -0600, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: Setting color:black without a background-color:white is distressingly common, but overall most inputs are unstyled in my experience. That should throw up issues in a CSS validation check, as it really screws up with both people like

Re: [whatwg] Customize HTML5 forms placeholder style

2010-02-18 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 17:54 -0500, L. David Baron wrote: On Thursday 2010-02-18 16:45 -0600, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: Anne suggested in IRC using the pseudoclass approach, and pairing it with the ::value pseudoelem from the Basic UI Module. You could get But the key question (from the

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