the one on Window) unforgeable:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19560
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2012, Glenn Maynard wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > >
> > > If you really want to protect users from the behavior of pages,
> > > you'd really need to make creating the context cheap. For example,
> > >
or similar.
That's an interesting idea. Not sure if it's better or worse than the
proprietary flags mentioned earlier... it's probably not as fine-grained
in practice.
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, Glenn Maynard wrote:
>
> If you really want to protect users from the behavior of pag
l element to fall back to the first tab
> focusable element if no element with autofocus exists. If there is still
> no control element, I would expect the dialog itself to receive focus.
The first focusable element is the element, effectively.
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>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > Incidentally, it seems to use a WebKit-specific "plaintext-only" value.
> > Should we spec that? Aryeh? It's filed as:
> >
> >https://www.w3.org
ething where you're
supposed to try to match the host platform conventions.
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> 2012-10-19 19:33, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Are there any situations that this doesn't handle where it would
> > > > be legitimate to omit
always been
found lacking in one way or another.
e.g.:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2006Nov/thread.html#msg233
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2007Jul/0049.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2008Dec/0376
#x27;s history or bookmarks, or in
> search results."
> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-title-element
That isn't what that says. Please make sure never to read between the
lines when reading a specification.
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> > On Fri, 8 Jun 2012, Mark Callow wrote:
> > > On 08/06/2012 06:09, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > > > The dire warning doesn't work. I'm just saying that's the
> > > > directi
of the SVG.
That's not a use case, that's a solution. What's the actual use case? i.e.
why do you want to embed SVG as a document?
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2012, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> 2012-06-29 23:42, Ian Hickson wrote:
> >
> > Currently you need a DOCTYPE, a character encoding declaration, a
> > title, and some content. I'd love to be in a position where the empty
> > string would be a val
ec that starts "Each hit region should be handled
in a fashion equivalent to a node in a virtual DOM tree".
In particular, this means that accessibility tools that use a separate
accessibility tool focus (e.g. the VoiceOver focus), and touch devices
that provide haptic feedback, shoul
?
> Something like addCues(DOMString text) where the text is not only one
> cue (like in the TextTrackCue ctor) but where the text would be multiple
> cues as written in a WebVTT file?
Just use a element to point to the file.
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Ian Yang wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Ian Hickson wrote
> > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012, Ian Yang wrote:
> > >
> > > But your opinion does remind me of the element. That element
> > > is a perfect example of introducing and us
from a
> stable state for the parsing algorithm and, if the element is
> used in a conforming way, it won't have a element preceding it
> anyway.
If had a use case, I would definitely think we should change the
parsing algorithm -- not changing it makes the element essentially
unusable, IMHO. But that's academic, since the element has no useful
purpose, isn't necessary, and is thus not part of HTML.
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ases that will emerge in the future.
That seems reasonable in general. Did you have anything specific in mind
that isn't consistent in this way?
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> so strict, I really see little point in this input type being validated
> at all; as a developer there is absolutely no way I can use this
> validation as it stands, the potential for a poor user experience is
> just too evident.
The spec e
ed case, and further the empty string is a valid keyword
> (meaning true). I think this would be correct:
>
> *[contenteditable=true i], *[contenteditable=""] { empty-collapse:
> no-collapse }
I'm happy to add that to the default style sheet if CSS had such a
proper
t;
> I agree, I would like to see a more general-purpose solution for this.
> One problem that we have is that |new FormData(form)| allows
> synchronously grabbing, so we'd likely end up having to fire synchronous
> callbacks, which is always unfortunate, but I don't see an altern
a
margin box for print media using CSS, once CSS supports flowing elements
into particular boxes. (No idea if this is planned yet.)
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012, Mathew Marquis wrote:
> On Oct 11, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Oct 2012, Markus Ernst wrote:
> >>
> >> IMHO as an author, the "bandwidth" use case is not solved in a future
> >> proof manner
> >
&
e (search for
"bandwidth one"):
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2012May/0247.html
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012, Mark Callow wrote:
> On 2012/10/10 12:29, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Oct 2012, Mark Callow wrote:
> >> I don't know what the browser on the SH-10D is doing, (It's running
> >> Android 4.0) but, given the physical size (4.5")
ng to the conformance rules for documents, yes.
This section in the intro talks about this issue:
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/introduction.html#how-to-read-this-specification
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(This test is testing whether a U+0001 is lost either in the JS parser,
document.write(), the HTML tokeniser, the HTML parser, the DOM API, or the
JS string API, and it seems to get through all of those fine.)
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not strong solutions in the meantime.
> We can't be too bold with our predictions, but we do have to build with
> the future in mind or else condemn ourselves to a perpetual game of
> catch-up.
Standardisation is the process of taking innovative ideas and describing
them in an i
lems we don't understand. It's better to wait
until we have real problems before fixing them.
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re actually using 3x.
Can you obtain a screenshot of this page in the device's browser?
http://junkyard.damowmow.com/513
(Should be power+voldown to get a screen shot.)
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Mark Callow wrote:
> On 2012/10/06 7:09, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > I agree, when there's 3x displays, this could get to the point where we
> > need to solve it. :-)
>
> With the current displays, it's just not that big a deal, IMHO. If by 3x
>
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Cameron Zemek wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Cameron Zemek wrote:
> >>
> >> I noticed the specification usually treats null characters U+ by
> >> replacing them with the repl
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > We could only change Path, since the others are already deployed. We
> > could add new constructors, but that would just be new redundancy, and
> > thus probably isn
this test (and others for the other characters)
is required for compatibility with legacy content to log "1":
http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1824
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ince tried to respec URL parsing in detail, with the work in
progress being here:
http://url.spec.whatwg.org/
I recommend checking that spec to see if it does what you want, and if
not, working with Anne to see if it can be adjusted accordingly or if
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> 85
85 out of ~600,000 pages is 0.014%. Not too small (about an order of
magnitude more than the number of XHTML pages served as XML I found a few
years ago in Google's index), but still pre
.jpg file, just higher resolution, so delivering
> it instead would be ideal, but the current syntax doesn't allow that,
> nor does it allow any reasonably reliable way for a browser to detect
> that it would be okay to serve the 1600.jpg image either.
>
> I'm not sure
ure, I'm not opposed to that. But that seems like a somewhat
> bigger change, no? E.g. then you would also change .click() be a
> no-op I suppose? Or .submit(). Not just img.src has side effects.
The spec currently describes this as Rafael suggests (if the Document has
a browsing context
n
as facts.
Thanks.
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On Tue, 2 Oct 2012, James Graham wrote:
> On 10/02/2012 02:34 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
> > On 10/1/12 6:10 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
> > > > On 6/19/12 1:56 PM, Charlie Reis wrote:
> > > > > That's fro
be in a new event loop. Saying
you need a new WindowProxy object is basically equivalent to saying you
need a new browsing context.
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On Mon, 1 Oct 2012, Glenn Maynard wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > >
> > > + have the new page be in a new browsing context
> >
> > ...it's a new browsing context (e.g. target="_blank").
>
> I'm not
l link and have the user really click it.
No need for script-initiated anything, then.
> To be honest, I haven't heard strong enough support for the
> allow-referrer case to justify this proposal on the basis of "cleaner
> syntax" alone. Maybe we should table the discussion unless a stronger
> use case arises?
Ok.
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012, Mihai Parparita wrote:
>
> I can't speak for Gmail, but Google Reader uses window.open since it
> allows "unrelated" links to be opened in response to a key event (the
> "v" keyboard shortcut). It would also benefit from severing all ties to
> the opened window.
There's still a real link in this case, though, no? So you can call
.click() on it. (Or use accesskey=""...)
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
> On 9/28/12 2:26 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > > 5) What happens when this doesn't match the origin or effective script
> > > origin or whatever of the global object the script is evaluating
> > > against.
> &
ould be slightly shocked if
> there is UA interop here.
This is specced, though it might not be right. I haven't checked recently.
> 7) Handling of the return value of the script.
I believe this is specced.
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> fine.
On Thu, 13 Sep 2012, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>
> Oh, I see. It's somewhat questionable if you ask me. Varying the syntax
> _within a document_ is something different from the liberty of choosing
> one's style.
Each example is a different
and assign to url.search.
You could even make that work, by having a special method for appending a
new key/value pair, and just not making it accessible.
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rrays. In fact that the
> page at link [1] doesn't seem to even contain the term "audio" at all.
> So it's definitely just a generic DSP model built upon Type Arrays. So
> it seems like there's no need to raise this as feedback on the
> ArrayBuffer spec at
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012, David Sheets wrote:
> >
> > Not necessarily, but that's certainly possible. Personally I would
> > recommend that we not change the definition of what is conforming from
> > the current RFC3986/RFC3987 rules, except to the extent that the
> > character encoding affects it (a
This is Anne's spec, so I'll let him give more canonical answers, but:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012, David Sheets wrote:
>
> Your conforming WHATWG-URL syntax will have production rule alphabets
> which are supersets of the alphabets in RFC3986.
Not necessarily, but that's certainly possible. Personall
manner. Really it
is only useful for saying whether or not content is conforming.
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> worker thread, and then through some bizarre set of events that desire
> morphed into the image scaling API, which was then discarded due to
> being too weird.
>
> It does occur to me though that it could be interesting to allow a
> canvas context to be transferred to a worker. Think about this for a
> moment: It would allow arbitrarily expensive rendering to occur in the
> worker, and then you just need to have some flush style API that would
> allow the worker to indicate that the content of the canvas was ready to
> render -- essentially this would be a join() on the UI thread, but the
> rendering would never blocked the UI.
>
> Alas when I think about it, i think it may require double buffering the
> canvas, but it could provide a substantial performance boost, with
> minimal developer-side complexity.
I haven't yet added canvas to workers, but it is something that is on the
list of things to add. I have been waiting for implementations of workers
(including shared workers and message ports) and canvas (including the new
path APIs) to mature before adding the combination.
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constraints facing this API's evolution, and so have not changed it.
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introduce a punctuation mark that means "end of arguments", e.g. "/".
B 10,10 20,20 5 / 30,30 40,40 10
...instead of:
B 10,10 20,20 5 5 0 30,30 40,40 10 5 0
...(where B is a command that takes the same arguments as arcT
'd say this is better than what you have to do with
arcTo(), since with that one you have to give both the corner coordinate
and the destination coordinate, rather than just the latter.
Could you elaborate on what exactly it is that is being done here? If
there were some examples showing
then
> we'd just cram all functionality into a single function with a huge
> number of optional arguments.
We're talking about SVG path syntax here, not methods.
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2012, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
> >> So, can we rename the 7-arg arcTo to ellipseTo? That seems to
> >> support your "always [require] a
k sent in the form
of bugs will definitely get looked at but may still not get a detailed
reply.) That said, I don't want to discourage anyone from creating any
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with A, don't drag in the entire canvas path API. :-)
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we generate the PDF, just wanted to
> point out another inconsistency with SVG, where miter limit values less
> than 1.0 will be ignored as invalid.
The main thing driving this API is back-compat with canvas
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> to be useable as well.
You can create a new Path, then add another Path to it while applying a
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path syntax is its own thing, and it already supports arcs and so forth.
Adding a whole new redundant set of commands that work slightly
differently is just bloat asking for interop issues, IMHO. The design of
the path syntax makes sense, it's terse. Embrace its strengths, don't
se
possible miter ratio (the
distance from the join point to the outer intersection point can't
possibly be less than the line width, otherwise it wouldn't be the outside
of the join, no?).
Its trivial to treat numbers 0.0 < q <= 1.0 as 1.0. No need to fail.
Browsers
quot;, that's an easier answer:
nothing is final until it is widely implemented.
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gt; CSS we have inset box-shadows, which gives a similar effect.
> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/#the-box-shadow
>
> Can we add this to the canvas shadows please?
Can't you do this using clip() easily enough? Maybe I'm missing something
important here. Can y
tMetrics features to perform manual letter spacing
adjustements. If this is something that is commonly done, it would be a
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available as an ArrayBuffer, it seems like the more reasonable thing to do
is to provide generic ArrayBuffer manipulation routines.
I recommend raising this as feedback on the ArrayBuffer spec.
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were to call it on the new, cross-origin, History object, though.)
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have javascript:history.back() links; these would break for cross-origin
links if we blocked cross-origin history traversal. I don't really see
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> can argue that it is possible in other ways).
When it's same origin, you really have no way to know what's going on. The
page could trivially pushState() a continuously changing URL, for example,
and could serve random files from the server for any URL.
On Th
degree to which they do that are left up to
> implementations...is that correct?
Yeah, all of this is basically left up to UAs (notice how everything in
the Disk Space section says "should", not "must").
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> I think it isn't really implemented that way anywhere though, is it?
> That is, do browsers really share the limit across subdomains like
> that...
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press one I mentioned above). I have been told that the draft
> contradicts my understanding, but I don't think so.
I don't really understand your question, but does this answer it?:
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/webstorage.html#disk-s
On Thu, 7 Jun 2012, Kit Grose wrote:
> On 06/06/2012, at 7:44 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Jan 2012, Kit Grose wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd argue that while we did receive in WebM "a common codec" it does
> >> not enjoy the sort of universa
On Tue, 28 Aug 2012, Jer Noble wrote:
> On Aug 27, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> >>
> >> With JavaScript, it's certainly possible for a page author to play()
> >> or pause() a slaved media element directly, but that author could
> >> just
consumers apply it to the
whole document and don't know about . In other words, backwards
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ect being
enumerable in an async manner to get all the files.
For UAs that implement the FileSystem API, I would then recommend that the
FlieSystem API provide ways to get from File and Directory objects to
FileEntry and DirectoryEntry objects.
I haven't added any of this to the spec, mostly because it's not clear to
me that there is consensus amongst browser vendors that this is a problem
they want to solve, let alone how to solve it.
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2012, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> 2012-08-22 3:43, Ian Hickson wrote:
> >
> > [...] the argument is that WYSIWYG editor implementors will be
> > pressured into making their tools output conforming content by people
> > who don't understand the subtlt
mail client's
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2012, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Aug 2011, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Randy wrote:
> >> > On top of that, the vast majority of these readers just translate
)?
It's not at all difficult. The spec allows it today. The question is
really how hard would it be to convince browsers to implement it. :-)
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, Erik Reppen wrote:
>
> I think there's a legit need for a version or some kind of mode for
> HTML5 that as
., if the page was a data: URL typed by a user (which is another case
where the page's origin isn't a tuple). Whatever part of IndexedDB says
what should happen for documents from handtyped data: URLs and any other
situations with non-tuple origins should automatically cover
in of the document. The
spec doesn't mention it because IndexedDB isn't part of the HTML spec.
Note that the sentence you cited is non-normative (or rather, it contains
no normative statements), so that whether it mentions IndexedDB or not
doesn't change an
rdering here.
> b. markup label of the sister language
>
> (Opera/Webkit/Chrome currently have this directly
>after the native encoding label step - step 5.
No idea what this means.
> c. Other things? What does "likely encoding" current
>refer to, exactly?
The spec gives an example.
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ly allowed. Allowing them in the same way as workers seems like
> a good idea to me.
I ended up reverting that text, it didn't really work. Is there anything
else you need for XHR instead?
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ll not be passed to the server. So my
> proposal is that the data URI schema gets an exception on this security
> behavior.
I don't understand. What referrer are you trying to set? To what?
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2012, Ryosuke Niwa wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Jul 2012, Ryosuke Niwa wrote:
> > >
> > > *HTMLCollection* returns the first element.
> >
> > This is for compat in the default case, I believe.
&g
On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Glenn Maynard wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Feb 2012, Glenn Maynard wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't think the existence of implicit submit should depend on
> > > platform conventions, tho
ed. The other involves designer judgment and is
> conceptually similar to CSS design where authors use MQ. Also, having w
> and h refer to the browsing environment and x to the image in the same
> microsyntax continues to be highly confusing.
The "w", "h", and &q
x27;s only a solution to some of the problems (namely, to
those apps that only repaint dirty areas, and have authors who are aware
that this problem can ever happen, and for which "just reload the page"
isn't a sufficiently clean answer).
What should the event be called?
canvas.onforcerepaint?
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On Tue, 4 Sep 2012, Justin Novosad wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
> >
> > Does it work if you just transform all the points and the line?
>
> (Yeah, that's still way too vague. I'm not sure how to really specify
> > this
ow the entire canvas out and ask for it to be
> re-rendered if the canvas is shown again. This would even make sense if
> you don't have a HW accelerated canvas.
>
> There would be no backward compatibility issue either. If the user
> doesn't s
ntrol points, and then generate the
> arc. If you do this, you will always get circular arcs, whereas a
> scale(2, 1) will produce an elliptical arc. You have to generate the
> arc, then scale it.
Yeah, that's why the spec hand-waves to transform the line too... but I
agree that that do
nd y radii it's relatively easy
to pass through to the new arcTo() method. (This isn't widely implemented
yet so I haven't shown an example here.)
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y about this.
Realistically, there are too many pages that have 2D canvases that are
drawn to once and never updated for any solution other than "don't lose
the data" to be adopted. How exactly this is implemented is a quality of
implementation issue.
ain
This role is unnecessary in HTML documents, since browsers can skip the
non-main content. That's the whole point of elements like .
> I agree that an explicit element would be nice, but the powers that be
> have rejected the idea.
It's not clear what the idea i
In the scenario above I would prefer to define a custom drag element,
> set the innerHTML to a component of the Post (title), and then style the
> element itself in CSS.
That's what the addElement() method is intended to do.
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oesn't match the behaviour of all web browsers I've tested. Opera,
> Safari, Chrome, Firefox and IE all fail this test.
>
> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1643
I guess there's no point fighting this particular battle. Changed.
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