[whatwg] Fwd: Nested lists

2008-08-05 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
Blarg forward to list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Tab Atkins Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Nested lists To: noclip [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 8:15 PM, noclip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there plans to natively

Re: [whatwg] Joined blocks

2008-08-01 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Russell Leggett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: For what it's worth, Shannon, I totally agree with you. Not only is this something I have been wanted for a long time, but I think it belongs in the html. It's one thing if you just want columns, which is being covered

[whatwg] input=datetime and unixtime?

2008-07-30 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
I did some searching through the archives, but didn't find anything at all that talked about this. Out of curiousity, was there a reason that datetime doesn't store/send it's value as a unix timestamp? True, the standard unixtime unit is insufficient for representing a useful range of dates, but

Re: [whatwg] Select element suggestion

2008-07-16 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:44 AM, Thomas Broyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Gervase Markham wrote: Csaba Gabor wrote: Therefore, it makes sense to float those values to the top of the select element in a reasonable way. What's reasonable? I would like to

Re: [whatwg] Select element suggestion

2008-07-15 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Csaba Gabor wrote: Therefore, it makes sense to float those values to the top of the select element in a reasonable way. What's reasonable? I would like to suggest: frequencyLimit=percent I assume you would want

Re: [whatwg] Bad CSS on the multipage version

2008-06-04 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Philip Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 04/06/2008, Křištof Želechovski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding your page at the URL http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/text-level.html #the-embed: [...] Element

[whatwg] Fwd: Interpretation of video poster attribute

2008-06-03 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Philip Jägenstedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I'm a bit puzzled about how to interpret the poster attribute on HTMLVideoElement: The poster attribute gives the address of an image file that the user agent can show while no video data is available. The

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for a link attribute to replace a href

2008-05-30 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a lot of focus on use cases. Here is the one that led me to start this thread: http://www.duttondirect.com/automotive/for_sale (disclaimer: I am not responsible for the design of this page) The table hover effect is

Re: [whatwg] The iframe element and sandboxing ideas

2008-05-21 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking of introducing a new attribute. I haven't worked out what to call it yet, but definitely not src, source, src2, content, value, or data -- maybe html or doc, though neither of those are great. This attribute

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5 - dialog

2008-05-15 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Ernest Cline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Mike Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 15, 2008 8:02 AM To: 'WHATWG' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5 - dialog Yes, I also quite like the analogy with

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5 - dialog

2008-05-14 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:36 AM, Mikko Rantalainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If dialog is used instead of dialogue then it should be designed in a such way that it can be used for dialog box in addition to dialogue (e.g. chat) in the future. I severely doubt this is possible or desirable.

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5

2008-05-14 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
2008/5/13 Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 13 May 2008, Paweł Stradomski wrote: [...] Perhaps talk ? Short and simple, although not exactly equal in meaning to dialog. That's probably the best suggestion so far, but I'm still not convinced it's really much better than dialog. I

Re: [whatwg] ALT and equivalent representation

2008-04-28 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Křištof Želechovski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the advantage of cutting an image to parts and having the browser show them as one by putting them aside? I would rather use one big image in the first place. Chris On my company's web site, our header

Re: [whatwg] Feeedback on dfn, abbr, and other elements related to cross-references

2008-04-21 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:15 AM, Jens Meiert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point of abbr is to expand the acronym, not to just mark up what is an acryonym or abbreviation. Doesn't this claim that the general information that some text is an abbreviation (w/o an expanded form) is basically

Re: [whatwg] ins, del, and mark crossing element boundaries

2008-04-02 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
I agree, very insightful post, MPT. You cut to the true issues quicker than we were doing earlier. ^_^ Nicholas Shanks, you may well be right. ins/del/mark (idm) are a form of embedded metadata, but how would we extract such out of the html flow? This isn't metadata about the document, after

Re: [whatwg] INS and DEL in lists

2008-03-28 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Krzysztof Żelechowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dnia 28-03-2008, Pt o godzinie 09:12 -0500, Tab Atkins Jr. pisze: And the original problem can be solved using CSS2; I only wanted to bring a similar example: HTML poorly supports interleaving unrelated

Re: [whatwg] INS and DEL in lists

2008-03-26 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Krzysztof Żelechowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another example of missing interleave in HTML is not to be able to interleave list items with table rows in order to provide numbering. These are independent sets of elements and they cannot play together. Sad.

Re: [whatwg] several messages about tables and related subjects

2008-03-24 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
TH and TD * abbr (I think that's supported by screen readers, but need to verify) I don't really see that these attributes actually help anyone. I don't have a screen reader to verify, but afaik abbr= is used to provide a shortened form of the header when it is spoken aloud repeatedly.

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-03-01 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Nicholas C. Zakas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From this description, it seems like the section/ element has little use. If you're talking about writing articles, most authors consider the start and end of sections as implicitly defined by headings. Making this

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-02-29 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Nicholas Zakas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it's as clear as you make it out to be. A section and a division. I hate to consult a dictionary on this, but one definition for section is subdivision. The naming alone does not make it clear what the

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-02-29 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Dave Hodder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tab Atkins Jr. wrote (with snippage): In HTML5, the hx hierarchy is explicitly ignored. Instead, they're all treated the same. The actual heading level is determined by section nesting. That doesn't sound correct

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for a link attribute to replace a href

2008-02-28 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Paweł Stradomski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W liście Robert O'Rourke z dnia czwartek 28 lutego 2008: Paweł Stradomski wrote: div class=steps input href=/basket.html class=basket-step value=Basket / input href=/checkout.html class=current

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-02-28 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still not clear to me how section/ is anything more than a div/. HTML4 said: The DIV and SPAN elements, in conjunction with the id and class attributes, offer a generic mechanism for adding structure to documents (

Re: [whatwg] The div element

2008-02-27 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why does the HTML5 spec say The div element represents nothing at all ? [http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-div] Div clearly stands for 'division', as was specified in the HTML 3.2 spec: DIV elements

Re: [whatwg] several messages about ol, ul, dl, and related subjects

2008-02-26 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 8 Feb 2007, Jorgen Horstink wrote: On Feb 8, 2007, at 9:00 PM, David Latapie wrote: On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:17:32 +, Nicholas Shanks wrote: On 6 Feb 2007, at 07:57, Karl Dubost wrote:

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