Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-07-27 Thread Eduard Pascual
I have put a new version of the CRDF document up [1]. Here is a summary of the most significant changes: * Location: with the migration from Google Pages to Google Sites, the PDF document will not be allowed anymore to be hosted at its former location. I wanted to keep this proposal independent

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-07-09 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Eduard Pascual wrote: I think this is a level of indirection too far -- when something is a heading, it should _be_ a heading, it shouldn't be labeled opaquely with a transformation sheet elsewhere

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-07-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Eduard Pascual wrote: I think this is a level of indirection too far -- when something is a heading, it should _be_ a heading, it shouldn't be labeled opaquely with a transformation sheet elsewhere defining that is maps to the heading semantic. That doesn't make

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-06-10 Thread Eduard Pascual
First of all, Ian, thank for your reply. I appreciate any opinions on this subject. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: This proposal is very similar to RDF EASE. Indeed, they are both CSS-based, and they fulfill similar purposes. Let me, however, highlight some

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-06-09 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 14 May 2009, Eduard Pascual wrote: I have put online a document that describes my idea/proposal for a selector-based solution to metadata. The document can be found at http://herenvardo.googlepages.com/CRDF.pdf Feel free to copy and/or link the file wherever you deem appropriate.

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-05-23 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Eduard Pascual herenva...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Toby Inkster m...@tobyinkster.co.uk wrote: [... some stuff about how will English change in a thousand years ...] A great help in clarifying your usage of terms is the inclusion of a

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-05-22 Thread Toby Inkster
On Fri, 2009-05-22 at 12:26 +0200, Eduard Pascual wrote: Are you calling the DOM Consistency Principle a theoretical or aesthetic argument? Certainly not -- DOM consistency is a great idea. But given that the HTML5 spec defines how the DOM is built, there's a very simple solution to that --

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal

2009-05-22 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 22 May 2009 16:44:32 +0200, Toby Inkster m...@tobyinkster.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2009-05-22 at 12:26 +0200, Eduard Pascual wrote: Are you calling the DOM Consistency Principle a theoretical or aesthetic argument? Certainly not -- DOM consistency is a great idea. But given that the

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-05-22 Thread Henri Sivonen
On May 22, 2009, at 17:44, Toby Inkster wrote: But given that the HTML5 spec defines how the DOM is built, there's a very simple solution to that -- HTML5 could simply mandate that: html xmlns:foo=http://foo.example.com/; generates an identical DOM representation in both XHTML5 and

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-05-21 Thread Toby Inkster
On Thu, 2009-05-21 at 13:26 +0200, Eduard Pascual wrote: [... lots ...] Eduard, thanks for your long and informative reply. I won't go into every point mentioned in detail, but in summary I'd like to say that your message reassured me on a few points and perhaps CRDF is not as bad as I

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-05-20 Thread Eduard Pascual
Note: I wrote this yesterday. My internet connection wasn't working as desirable, but GMail told me it had been sent and I believed it. Now I have just noticed that it hadn't; and at least one person has been confused by the changes in the document. Sorry for this issue, and hope this time GMail

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-05-20 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Toby Inkster m...@tobyinkster.co.uk wrote: Given that one of the objections people cite with RDFa is complexity, I'm not sure how this resolves things. It seems twice as complicated to me. It creates fewer new attributes, true, but number of attributes

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-05-20 Thread Toby A Inkster
On 20 May 2009, at 23:10, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: Stuffing multiple discrete pieces of information makes things harder for parsing, harder for authoring tools and harder for authors. In RDFa, each attribute performs a simple role - e.g. @rel specifies the relationship between two resources;

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-05-17 Thread Eduard Pascual
First of all, thanks for the time taken to review the document and to post your feedback. I truly appreciate it. On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Toby A Inkster m...@tobyinkster.co.uk wrote: In part 0.1 you include some HTML and some RDF triples that you'd like to mark up in the HTML and

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-05-16 Thread Toby A Inkster
In part 0.1 you include some HTML and some RDF triples that you'd like to mark up in the HTML and conclude that RDFa is incapable of doing that without adding extra wrapper elements. While adding redundant wrapper elements and empty elements is occasionally needed in RDFa (and from what I

Re: [whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-05-16 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
(Could you try to be a little more careful about changing mail titles? These threads have splintered into half a dozen separate things in my mail reader due to Re:s appearing in subjects. It took me a while to discover just what mail you were trying to respond to here.) On Sat, May 16, 2009 at

[whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-05-14 Thread Eduard Pascual
I have put online a document that describes my idea/proposal for a selector-based solution to metadata. The document can be found at http://herenvardo.googlepages.com/CRDF.pdf Feel free to copy and/or link the file wherever you deem appropriate. Needless to say, feedback and constructive