Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback

2011-02-02 Thread Michael Nordman
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, Michael Nordman wrote: In section 6.6.6 Changes to the networking model which applies to sub resource loads, step 3 prevents returning fallback resources for requested urls that fall into a network

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-02-01 Thread Adam de Boor
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Patrick Mueller wrote: On 8/12/10 6:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 19 May 2010, Patrick Mueller wrote: I've been playing with application cache for a while now, and found the diagnostic

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-02-01 Thread Patrick Mueller
On 2/1/11 11:47 AM, Adam de Boor wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Patrick Mueller wrote: On 8/12/10 6:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 19 May 2010, Patrick Mueller wrote: I've been playing with application cache for a while now,

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Patrick Mueller wrote: On 8/12/10 6:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anne van Kesteren wrote: XML would be much too complex for what is needed. We could possibly remove the media type check and resort to using the CACHE MANIFEST identifier (i.e.

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, David John Burrowes wrote: I can understand wanting to do things right, in terms of using Content-Type for the file. I can also attest that it can be a royal pain to diagnose when this is set wrong.

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, David John Burrowes wrote: I can understand wanting to do things right, in terms of using Content-Type for the file. I can also attest that it can be a

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: That's far too generic for servers to default to mapping *.manifest to text/cache-manifest. For example, Windows uses *.manifest for SxS assembly manifests. Do they have a MIME type? If not, it doesn't much matter. It

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: That's far too generic for servers to default to mapping *.manifest to text/cache-manifest. For example, Windows uses *.manifest for SxS assembly manifests. Do they have a

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Glenn Maynard wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: That's far too generic for servers to default to mapping *.manifest to text/cache-manifest. For example, Windows uses *.manifest for SxS assembly manifests. Do they have a MIME type? If not, it

[whatwg] Appcache feedback

2011-01-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote: In definitions of application cache entry categories, it's mentioned that an explicit entry can also be marked as foreign. This contrasts with fallback entries, for which no such notice is made. It still appears that the intention was for

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: That's far too generic for servers to default to mapping *.manifest to text/cache-manifest. For example,

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Given that SxS manifests don't seem like they'd ever be something you'd want to make available to download standalone, and that if you were going to expose them to a user you'd

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback

2011-01-31 Thread Michael Nordman
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 30 Sep 2010, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote: In definitions of application cache entry categories, it's mentioned that an explicit entry can also be marked as foreign. This contrasts with fallback entries, for which no such

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2011-01-31 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: It appears you're actually talking about ClickOnce manifests, not SxS manifests (though they use the same format). (In that particular case, SxS manifests distributed standalone for people to drop into application installations

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2010-08-13 Thread Patrick Mueller
On 8/12/10 6:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anne van Kesteren wrote: XML would be much too complex for what is needed. We could possibly remove the media type check and resort to using the CACHE MANIFEST identifier (i.e. sniffing), but the HTTP gods will get angry. Yeah,

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2010-08-13 Thread Patrick Mueller
On 8/12/10 6:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 19 May 2010, Patrick Mueller wrote: I've been playing with application cache for a while now, and found the diagnostic information available to be sorely lacking. For example, to diagnose user-land errors that occur when using appcache, this is

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2010-08-13 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:02:01 +0200, Patrick Mueller pmue...@muellerware.org wrote: On 8/12/10 6:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anne van Kesteren wrote: XML would be much too complex for what is needed. We could possibly remove the media type check and resort to using the CACHE

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2010-08-13 Thread David John Burrowes
On 2010/8/13, at 上午6:42, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:02:01 +0200, Patrick Mueller pmue...@muellerware.org wrote: On 8/12/10 6:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anne van Kesteren wrote: XML would be much too complex for what is needed. We could possibly

[whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2010-08-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote: There seems to be a race condition in how application cache groups are marked obsolete. Consider the following scenario: 1. A document is loaded from server, an appcache is fully created. 2. Appcache update is initiated (e.g. by calling

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback (various threads)

2010-08-12 Thread Joseph Pecoraro
On Aug 12, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: These quotas are often global, some kind of user setting, or are per-origin. Application Caches are missing such a quota. The entire Disk Space section of Web SQL Databases could equally apply to Application Caches:

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback

2010-01-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Joseph Pecoraro wrote: We could delay the application cache download process so that it doesn't start until after the 'load' event has fired. Does anyone have an opinion on this? It seems pointless to provide hooks in the API that allow for a custom interface,

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback

2010-01-09 Thread Joseph Pecoraro
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:44:01 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: We could delay the application cache download process so that it doesn't start until after the 'load' event has fired. Does anyone have an opinion on this? On Dec 17, 2009, at 5: 24PM, Michael Nordman wrote: I don't think

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback

2010-01-09 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 9 Jan 2010, Joseph Pecoraro wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:44:01 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: We could delay the application cache download process so that it doesn't start until after the 'load' event has fired. Does anyone have an opinion on this? On Dec 17, 2009,

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback

2009-12-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:44:01 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: We could delay the application cache download process so that it doesn't start until after the 'load' event has fired. Does anyone have an opinion on this? I believe we (Opera) found this is what at least some implementations

[whatwg] Appcache feedback

2009-12-17 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote: Recently, a new step was prepended to the application cache update algorithm: 1. Optionally, wait until the permission to start the application cache download process has been obtained from the user and until the user agent is confident

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback

2009-12-17 Thread Joseph Pecoraro
On Dec 17, 2009, at 4: 44PM, Ian Hickson wrote: Another conforming sequence of events would be: 1. The parser's first parsing task begins. 2. As soon as the manifest= attribute is parsed, the application cache download process begins. It queues a task to dispatch the 'checking' event. 3.

Re: [whatwg] Appcache feedback

2009-12-17 Thread Michael Nordman
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Joseph Pecoraro joepec...@gmail.comwrote: On Dec 17, 2009, at 4: 44PM, Ian Hickson wrote: Another conforming sequence of events would be: 1. The parser's first parsing task begins. 2. As soon as the manifest= attribute is parsed, the application cache