Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-12-07 Thread Calogero Alex Baldacchino
Ian Hickson ha scritto: What terminology would you prefer rather than subtree? (We can't say document, since we are also trying to define conformance rules for disconnected subtrees handled from scripts.) I was thinking again on that. Let me suggest something like the following (and just

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-12-03 Thread Jonas Sicking
Otherwise, just let the id attribute be unique in the whole document, label any duplicate one as illegal and treat it as the empty string, so that one only method is enough and the DOM 3 undefined behaviour for 'getElementById' is no more problematic, being fired by non-allowed DOM structures

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-12-03 Thread Calogero Alex Baldacchino
Ian Hickson ha scritto: On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: But, isn't it worth to spend a word everywhere in the spec to tell when it's a quirck for backward compatibility, which might go away in the future, and when it's not, because that's not needed? None of the

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-12-03 Thread Calogero Alex Baldacchino
Ian Hickson ha scritto: It's intended as a replacement for DOM3 Core, I believe. Then, I hope in a convergence with the W3C, as it's one of the goal of the WHATWG. I believe neither organizations wish a heavy standard fragmentation. -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-12-03 Thread Calogero Alex Baldacchino
Jonas Sicking ha scritto: In firefox we now always return the first element with the requested ID. I think IE does the same. This seems equally reliably and much less likely to cause page breakage or interoperability issues. That's reasonable, and I pointed out that should be

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-12-02 Thread Calogero Alex Baldacchino
Ian Hickson ha scritto: On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: Yes, a hash link (a href=#foo) will scroll to the element with an id=foo. If coding properly, you'll virtually *never* use an a for an actual *anchor*, but rather will target the most semantically appropriate

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-12-02 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: However, now I have a question. The 3rd step of the algorithm to determine the indicated part of the document says, If there is an element in the DOM that has an ID exactly equal to /fragid/, then the first such element in tree order is the indicated part of

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-12-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: Indeed it does, and I found such behaviour more consistent than letting just the a element with a 'name' or an 'id' being an anchor for navigating to a fragment :-) However, now I have a question. The 3rd step of the algorithm to

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-12-02 Thread Calogero Alex Baldacchino
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis ha scritto: Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: [...] I think you're confusing parsing rules that conforming user agents must follow to associate identifiers with elements (even when ids are duplicated) with the authoring rules that conforming documents must follow (ids

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-12-02 Thread Calogero Alex Baldacchino
Ian Hickson ha scritto: Exactly how getElementById() works is out of scope for HTML5, but in the Web DOM Core spec that Simon is working on I imagine he has specced that it will pick the first element with a matching ID or some such behavior. Cheers, Is it thought as a somewhat break with

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-12-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: When you read The value must not contain any space characters., is it an authoring rule for conforming documents, for you? Ok. Right, statements that place requirements on what the values must be are authoring requirements. When you

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-12-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: Ian Hickson ha scritto: Exactly how getElementById() works is out of scope for HTML5, but in the Web DOM Core spec that Simon is working on I imagine he has specced that it will pick the first element with a matching ID or some such

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-12-01 Thread Calogero Alex Baldacchino
Tab Atkins Jr. ha scritto: [[off list]] Well, in fact, the above could be done as well by 'playing' with anchors (but is it still possible to set an anchor somewhere in the document, such as a id=foo /? I haven't found examples for that, perhaps I'm missing something...). Yes, a hash

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-12-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: Yes, a hash link (a href=#foo) will scroll to the element with an id=foo. If coding properly, you'll virtually *never* use an a for an actual *anchor*, but rather will target the most semantically appropriate element, such as a

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-11-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Sam Kuper wrote: In the current HTML5 draft, section 4.4.6 The blockquote element states, If a blockquote element is preceded or followed by a single paragraph that contains a single cite element and that is itself not preceded or followed by another blockquote element

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-11-30 Thread Calogero Alex Baldacchino
Ian Hickson ha scritto: I've removed the offending text. I don't think we can say that quotes should always come before their citations. For example, it's easy to imagine a blog that says: pciteBook The First/cite says:/p blockquote...from book 1.../blockquote pBut citeBook The

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-11-30 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Nov 30, 2008, at 18:38, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: I'm not sure I'm understanding the whole function of the cite element, [...] Q: What problem does it solve? The cite element solves the problem that if one considers i evil (I don't) and one wants to conform to the Chicago

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-11-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: I'm not sure I'm understanding the whole function of the cite element, and perhaps I'm bothering again with ids and references, but the relationship between a cite and a quotation could be disambiguated by coupling an id and a reference

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-11-30 Thread Calogero Alex Baldacchino
Ian Hickson ha scritto: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: I'm not sure I'm understanding the whole function of the cite element, and perhaps I'm bothering again with ids and references, but the relationship between a cite and a quotation could be disambiguated by

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-11-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: Ian Hickson ha scritto: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: I'm not sure I'm understanding the whole function of the cite element, and perhaps I'm bothering again with ids and references, but the relationship

[whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-09-10 Thread Sam Kuper
Dear all, In the current HTML5 draft, section 4.4.6 The blockquote elementhttp://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#the-blockquote states, If a blockquote element is preceded or followed by a single paragraph that contains a single cite element and that is itself not preceded or followed by another

Re: [whatwg] Citing multiple blockquote elements in HTML5

2008-09-10 Thread Sam Kuper
Dear all, For some reason, the email set-up I used to send my previous message (Gmail via Chrome) inserted whitespace:pre values into each paragraph's style attribute. Depending upon your email client, this may have rendered my email difficult/unpleasant to read. My apologies for this. Quoted