Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-08 Thread Robert Sayre
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: Every codec has the same problem; Every codec has the same problem if you can't prove a negative. That turns out to be hard. -- Robert Sayre I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time.

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread David Gerard
2009/6/7 jjcogliati-wha...@yahoo.com: There are concerns or issues with all of these: a) a number of large companies are concerned about the possible unintended entanglements of the open-source codecs; a 'deep pockets' company deploying them may be subject to risk here.  Google and other

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread King InuYasha
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:30 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/7 jjcogliati-wha...@yahoo.com: There are concerns or issues with all of these: a) a number of large companies are concerned about the possible unintended entanglements of the open-source codecs; a 'deep

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon
On 7 Jun 2009, at 16:30, David Gerard wrote: 2009/6/7 jjcogliati-wha...@yahoo.com: There are concerns or issues with all of these: a) a number of large companies are concerned about the possible unintended entanglements of the open-source codecs; a 'deep pockets' company deploying them may

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread David Gerard
2009/6/7 Geoffrey Sneddon foolist...@googlemail.com: How is it incredible? Who has looked at the submarine patents? They by definition are unpublished! Yes, certainly, published patents are well researched, but this is not the objection that anyone has made to it. It is not credible to claim

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, David Gerard wrote: 2009/6/7 Geoffrey Sneddon foolist...@googlemail.com: How is it incredible? Who has looked at the submarine patents? They by definition are unpublished! Yes, certainly, published patents are well researched, but this is not the objection that

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:24 PM, King InuYashangomp...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, what is the POINT of supporting any codec if it will cause inconveniences to anybody (e.g. patent royalties, high licensing fees, etc.)? Originally Ogg support was required by HTML5, AFAIK. However, Apple has

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread jjcogliati-whatwg
--- On Sun, 6/7/09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags To: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 9:30 AM 2009/6/7  jjcogliati-wha...@yahoo.com: There are concerns or issues

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Every codec has the same problem; the difference is that companies like Apple have already taken on the patent risk with MPEG-LA licensed codecs and are not willing to double their exposure. (Other companies like Google

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread Peter Kasting
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 5:24 PM, King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: The HTML 5 specification should definitely support a codec that fulfills the following legal criteria: At the end of the day, the spec does not mandate vendor behavior; rather vendor consensus informs the spec. For

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Am Sonntag, den 07.06.2009, 16:37 -0700 schrieb Peter Kasting: I do note that in a vacuum, there isn't a problem with not specifying any codec, as IIRC no codecs are specified for the img tag and yet practically most browsers implement a common subset and the web basically works. still,

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread King InuYasha
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Nils Dagsson Moskopp nils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: I do note that in a vacuum, there isn't a problem with not specifying any codec, as IIRC no codecs are

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread Peter Kasting
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:13 PM, King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: Google, Apple, and the other naysayers for Ogg video I think you are officially Wasting Our Time when you say something like Google... and the other naysayers about a company that is _shipping Ogg audio and video support

Re: [whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-07 Thread King InuYasha
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:13 PM, King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: Google, Apple, and the other naysayers for Ogg video I think you are officially Wasting Our Time when you say something like Google... and the

[whatwg] Codec mess with video and audio tags

2009-06-05 Thread King InuYasha
Hello, I have been keeping track of the developments of the video and audio tag for awhile now, and I recently noticed that there was a mailing list for discussing the spec. So, I wanted to put forth my comments about this mess regarding codecs I'm seeing sprawled all over the mailing list.