Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 drag and drop feedback

2009-10-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Sebastian Markb�ge wrote: No browser has implemented the copy/paste part of the spec. Few parts of the spec are perfectly implemented anywhere today, indeed. That's what it'll take years to get to -- that's where the 2022 estimate comes from, in fact -- I doubt we'll

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 drag and drop feedback

2009-09-17 Thread Sebastian Markbåge
As you stated, both IE and Safari have this thing pretty nailed down for quite a while now already. Both IE and Safari are quite buggy when it comes to drag-and-drop actually, at least compared to what the spec says (especially IE). Firefox has done a considerable amount of work to implement

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 drag and drop feedback

2009-09-16 Thread Francisco Tolmasky
Yes, that is a neat solution. However, it is still the case that at this time we should not add new features, otherwise we might get too far ahead of the implementations, and the quality of implementations will go down. Since I am new to the list I'm not sure how to interpret the context

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 drag and drop feedback

2009-09-16 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Francisco Tolmasky wrote: Yes, that is a neat solution. However, it is still the case that at this time we should not add new features, otherwise we might get too far ahead of the implementations, and the quality of implementations will go down. Since I am new

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 drag and drop feedback

2009-09-15 Thread Nabil Elisa
Yes, that is a neat solution. However, it is still the case that at this time we should not add new features, otherwise we might get too far ahead of the implementations, and the quality of implementations will go down. I support the suggestions that Francisco made and I accept that some of

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 drag and drop feedback

2009-09-15 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:37:57 +0200, Nabil Elisa nabil.el...@gmail.com wrote: Furthermore I'm not sure I agree with Ian's argument for holding out until the browsers support the current API more reliably. My experience has shown that there are numerous cross-browser incompatibilities in

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 drag and drop feedback

2009-09-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Nabil Elisa wrote: Furthermore I'm not sure I agree with Ian's argument for holding out until the browsers support the current API more reliably. My experience has shown that there are numerous cross-browser incompatibilities in the existing implementations of more

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 drag and drop feedback

2009-09-04 Thread Jens Alfke
On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Francisco Tolmasky wrote: However, I think the addition of the deferred setData methods could be added today in a way that is completely backwards compatible with current implementations and would still be of great benefit. Specifically, my request for

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 drag and drop feedback

2009-09-03 Thread Francisco Tolmasky
On Aug 30, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Francisco Tolmasky wrote: Thanks. The big thing to realise about this API is that it isn't young -- it's what IE has shipped for about 10 years, and what Safari has had for a bit less than that. We should definitely

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 drag and drop feedback

2009-08-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Francisco Tolmasky wrote: I recently had a chance to play around with the new HTML 5 drag and drop implementations and documented my experiences on my blog. I was advised to share the link to this mailing list as I ran into a number of setbacks and had a few comments

[whatwg] HTML 5 drag and drop feedback

2009-08-22 Thread Francisco Tolmasky
Hello, I recently had a chance to play around with the new HTML 5 drag and drop implementations and documented my experiences on my blog. I was advised to share the link to this mailing list as I ran into a number of setbacks and had a few comments on the problems I experienced and some