Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2009-01-02 Thread Asbjørn Ulsberg
On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:09:24 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: The spec draws the line already -- it says that the date has to be in the proleptic Gregorian calendar, and that the year has to be greater than zero. Reading the spec, I have to wonder: Does HTML5 need to specify as much as

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2009-01-02 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon
On 2 Jan 2009, at 21:53, Asbjørn Ulsberg wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:09:24 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: The spec draws the line already -- it says that the date has to be in the proleptic Gregorian calendar, and that the year has to be greater than zero. Reading the spec,

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2009-01-02 Thread WeBMartians
Asbjørn, while I can't give you a message-list, please believe me when I say that the HTML5 specifications on this are the result of quite a bit of discussion and IMHO represent a reasonable compromise between driving the developers crazy and supporting dates and times back to the Cenozoic era.

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-26 Thread Pentasis
- Original Message - From: Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Pentasis wrote: But the way it

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-26 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, Pentasis wrote: Like I said, I completely understand the issues here. It just seems a bit strange to me to choose one specific calendar and promote that one to exact. Well it's the calendar in use by a large part of the world. It's not just any random calendar. :-)

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-26 Thread Pentasis
- Original Message - From: Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, Pentasis wrote: No, I

[whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: Why does WA 1.0 require the year to be exactly 4 digits long when in WF 2.0 it is four or more digits? Fixed. Why doesn't WA 1.0 make 1 AD the first year thus dodging the year zero issue like WF 2.0? Fixed. Have I understood correctly, that

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-25 Thread Pentasis
Ian Hickson wrote: While I could see that maybe one day there'd be a use case for time that would need historical dates, I really think that we'd have to tackle other calendars in use today before looking at calendars that aren't in use anymore. So I'd rather punt this for now. While it is

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-25 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Pentasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: While I could see that maybe one day there'd be a use case for time that would need historical dates, I really think that we'd have to tackle other calendars in use today before looking at calendars that

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-25 Thread Pentasis
- Original Message - From: Tab Atkins Jr. To: Pentasis Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Pentasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-25 Thread Pentasis
I suddenly noticed this line in the spec: The primary use cases for these elements are for marking up publication dates e.g. in blog entries, and for marking event dates in hCalendar markup. Thus the DOM APIs are likely to be used as ways to generate interactive calendar widgets or some such.

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Pentasis wrote: The primary use cases for these elements are for marking up publication dates e.g. in blog entries, and for marking event dates in hCalendar markup. Thus the DOM APIs are likely to be used as ways to generate interactive calendar widgets or some such.

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-25 Thread Pentasis
- Original Message - From: Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Pentasis wrote: The primary use

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-25 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Pentasis wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Pentasis wrote: The primary use cases for these elements are for marking up publication dates e.g. in blog entries, and for marking event dates in hCalendar markup. Thus the DOM APIs are likely to be used as ways to generate interactive

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Pentasis wrote: This confuses me again ;-) Sorry. Are you saying that examples and use-cases will be excluded from the spec? I'm saying that examples of use cases will be included, and that the words use cases will generally be avoided. Like I stated before, I

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-25 Thread Calogero Alex Baldacchino
Lachlan Hunt ha scritto: Pentasis wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Pentasis wrote: The primary use cases for these elements are for marking up publication dates e.g. in blog entries, and for marking event dates in hCalendar markup. Thus the DOM APIs are likely to be used as

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: In other words, the normative section of the spec will be as generic as possible, while a non-normative section will cover a bounch of use cases and examples, without pretending to be exahustive with regard to all possible use cases. Am

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-25 Thread Pentasis
- Original Message - From: Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Pentasis wrote: This confuses me again ;-) Sorry. Are you saying that examples and use-cases will be excluded from the spec? I'm saying that examples of use cases will be included, and that the words

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-25 Thread Calogero Alex Baldacchino
Ian Hickson ha scritto: On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Calogero Alex Baldacchino wrote: In other words, the normative section of the spec will be as generic as possible, while a non-normative section will cover a bounch of use cases and examples, without pretending to be exahustive with regard to all

Re: [whatwg] Issues relating to the syntax of dates and times

2008-11-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Pentasis wrote: But the way it is described now still creates a difference in *possible* markup between: The battle of waterloo was fought on time datetime=1815-06-18Sunday 18 June 1815/time and: Julius Ceasar was assassinated on the ides of march in the year