Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-13 Thread Jorgen Horstink
ding my points. But your view is quite common as I've learned :) Regards, Borek - Original Message From: João Eiras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Borek Bernard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Sent: Thursday, 12 June, 2008 7:17:19 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Pr

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-13 Thread João Eiras
ill probably have hard times understanding my points. But your > view is quite common as I've learned :) > Regards, > Borek > > > > - Original Message ---- > From: João Eiras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Borek Bernard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; whatwg@lists.wha

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-12 Thread Borek Bernard
But your view is quite common as I've learned :) Regards, Borek - Original Message From: João Eiras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Borek Bernard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Sent: Thursday, 12 June, 2008 7:17:19 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=&quo

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-12 Thread João Eiras
sier than dealing with an impertinent Web site. > IMHO, > Chris > P.S.: If you want your answer to go to João only, just send it exclusively > to him. > > -Original Message- > From: Borek Bernard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:25 AM >

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-12 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
.: If you want your answer to go to João only, just send it exclusively to him. -Original Message- From: Borek Bernard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:25 AM To: Joao Eiras; Kristof Zelechovski; Ian Hickson; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-12 Thread Borek Bernard
: Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 9:15:47 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab" As mentioned multiple times, that up to the user agent, or browser if you prefer, to control. Users with browsers with tabbed interface want tabs and that it. Leaving such usability in control of a web

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-11 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
11, 2008 9:16 PM To: Kristof Zelechovski; 'Borek Bernard'; 'Ian Hickson'; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab" As mentioned multiple times, that up to the user agent, or browser if you prefer, to control. Users with browsers with ta

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-11 Thread João Eiras
Borek Bernard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:27 AM To: Kristof Zelechovski; Ian Hickson; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab" Hi Kristof, my knowledge of JS is limited but how would you handle this situation: in your web app, you

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-11 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Hickson; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab" Hi Kristof, my knowledge of JS is limited but how would you handle this situation: in your web app, you want to provide a keyboard shortcut for opening current item into a new tab. You need to invoke this a

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Jens Meiert wrote: > > > > > > What is interesting though is that authors can let open new > > > windows/tabs by HTML, CSS, /and/ scripting. I am not sure if this > > > functionality, that may ultimately impede user experience, can > > > really be considered structural, pres

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-11 Thread Jens Meiert
> > What is interesting though is that authors can let open new windows/tabs > > by HTML, CSS, /and/ scripting. I am not sure if this functionality, that > > may ultimately impede user experience, can really be considered > > structural, presentational, /and/ behavioral. > > I have no idea what you

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Jens Meiert wrote: > > > > > > In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=185 it is proposed that > > > authors should have the ability to suggest that links open in new > > > windows and new tabs. The suggested solution is to introduce a new > > > browsing context keyword

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-11 Thread Borek Bernard
Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 10:42:41 AM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab" Once you have support in CSS, you can use DOM+CSS from JS. No particular support within JS is required. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Borek B

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-11 Thread Jens Meiert
> > In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=185 it is proposed that > > authors should have the ability to suggest that links open in new > > windows and new tabs. The suggested solution is to introduce a new > > browsing context keyword "_tab". > > In general, it's best to let users decide whe

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-11 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab" Hi Ian, What do you think about the GReader use case? In my eyes, it makes the _tab scenario quite valid. But, as mentioned by Adrian Sutton, there would be technical problems with older browsers so this proposal has to be scrapped. On th

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-11 Thread Borek Bernard
Hi Ian, What do you think about the GReader use case? In my eyes, it makes the _tab scenario quite valid. But, as mentioned by Adrian Sutton, there would be technical problems with older browsers so this proposal has to be scrapped. On the HTML/CSS level, this will be eventually handled by the

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-11 Thread Borek Bernard
.whatwg.org Sent: Tuesday, 10 June, 2008 10:29:54 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab" >> From my brief testing, _tab opens a new window so it should be backwards >> compatible. It's deceptively close but not quite backwards compatible. _tab will cause the link t

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Simon Pieters wrote: > > In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=185 it is proposed that > authors should have the ability to suggest that links open in new > windows and new tabs. The suggested solution is to introduce a new > browsing context keyword "_tab". > > Use c

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-10 Thread Adrian Sutton
>> From my brief testing, _tab opens a new window so it should be backwards >> compatible. It's deceptively close but not quite backwards compatible. _tab will cause the link to open in the frame called "_tab" and if it doesn't exist it creates it, as a new window. So the first link works perfectl

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-10 Thread Borek Bernard
>From my brief testing, _tab opens a new window so it should be backwards >compatible. - Original Message From: João Eiras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Borek Bernard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Sent: Tuesday, 10 June, 2008 6:03:51 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-10 Thread João Eiras
This approach however has two problems: - user agent that don't support _tab which would have to interpret as _blank, or _self, so this case need to be predicted in the spec, if any - that value is not backwards compatible. I'd expect for an user agent that does not support tabs to open a ne

[whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-10 Thread Borek Bernard
> I don't believe it should be up to the document author to distinguish > between a page opened up in a new window or new tab, since that is > entirely a browser interface issue. Since several browsers already treat > _blank in that way anyway, introducing a new keyword doesn't s

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-10 Thread Borek Bernard
IMO, both _blank and _tab should always open in the same window, under a new tab. ... Browsers currently already support this. So, I think it's therefore redundant. As you stated, that is your user preference and my preference can be different. You are lucky that your preference

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-10 Thread Borek Bernard
Wondering: How is CSS 3's Hyperlink Presentation Module [1] (and its "target-new" property) supposed to fit in, /theoretically/ allowing us to drop @target altogether? That looks great (didn't know of that!), that would sort out the HTML/CSS part of game (although implementing ta

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-10 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Simon Pieters wrote: In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=185 it is proposed that authors should have the ability to suggest that links open in new windows and new tabs. The suggested solution is to introduce a new browsing context keyword "_tab". I don't believe it should be up to the

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-10 Thread João Eiras
IMO, both _blank and _tab should always open in the same window, under a new tab. Else that would be bad usability. Browsers currently already support this. So, I think it's therefore redundant. Na , Simon Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=185 it

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-10 Thread Jens Meiert
> In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=185 it is proposed that authors > should have the ability to suggest that links open in new windows and new > tabs. The suggested solution is to introduce a new browsing context keyword > "_tab". Wondering: How is CSS 3's Hyperlink Presentation Module

[whatwg] Proposal: target="_tab"

2008-06-10 Thread Simon Pieters
In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=185 it is proposed that authors should have the ability to suggest that links open in new windows and new tabs. The suggested solution is to introduce a new browsing context keyword "_tab". Use case for opening a new window with specified size: he