Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2008-01-07 Thread Federico Bianco Prevot
Has anyone considered Bink video as a viable option? http://www.radgametools.com/bnkmain.htm Bink is a better-than-DVD class codec - it compresses at higher quality than DVD at up to three times the playback speed! Bink uses up to 16 MB less memory at runtime than other codecs. It has been

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2008-01-07 Thread Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
Out of the question, it must be royalty-free. That's one of the requirements, so unless you can convince the holder to go RF, no chance. El Lunes 07 Ene 2008, Federico Bianco Prevot escribió: Has anyone considered Bink video as a viable option? http://www.radgametools.com/bnkmain.htm Bink

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2008-01-07 Thread Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
If you need to pay ¢1 for copies distributed, then it isn't royalty free and it can't be on the standard as a requirement. Flat fee is not royalty free. YES, I MEANT BEING ABLE TO USE IT WITHOUT PAYING ANY KIND OF FEE. Am I too daft for my words to be understood? El Lunes 07 Ene 2008,

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2008-01-07 Thread Dave Singer
At 19:29 +0100 7/01/08, Federico Bianco Prevot wrote: Has anyone considered Bink video as a viable option? http://www.radgametools.com/bnkmain.htm I get the impression that this is not an openly-specified codec, which I rather think is a problem. That is, there is neither a publicly

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2008-01-07 Thread Ralph Giles
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 01:50:09PM -0800, Dave Singer wrote: I get the impression that this is not an openly-specified codec, which I rather think is a problem. That is, there is neither a publicly available spec. nor publicly-available source, which means that it is controlled by one

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2008-01-07 Thread David Gerard
On 07/01/2008, Dave Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 19:29 +0100 7/01/08, Federico Bianco Prevot wrote: Has anyone considered Bink video as a viable option? http://www.radgametools.com/bnkmain.htm I get the impression that this is not an openly-specified codec, which I rather think is a

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2008-01-07 Thread Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
I don't find anything objectionable with that suggestion. It gives us the best of two worlds. Of course, should x264 be freed, there would be no longer any reason not to put Ogg alongside x264 in the spec as MUST. I have a suggestion: Nokia, Apple: you want H.264, you free H.264. Make it

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2008-01-07 Thread Dave Singer
At 21:59 + 7/01/08, David Gerard wrote: On 07/01/2008, Dave Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 19:29 +0100 7/01/08, Federico Bianco Prevot wrote: Has anyone considered Bink video as a viable option? http://www.radgametools.com/bnkmain.htm I get the impression that this is not an

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2008-01-07 Thread Dan Brickley
[snip] How about this permathread gets a @whatwg.org mailing list all of its own? Just a suggestion... dan

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2007-12-12 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon
On 12 Dec 2007, at 01:41, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: 1) maybe (I've heard game vendors cited, not sure which ones) I know someone already posted a list, but it is used within all Unreal Engine 2.5 (i.e., UT 2004) and Unreal Engine 3 (i.e., UT 3) games (which I'm sure you can find a long

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed [ISSUE-7 video-codecs]

2007-12-12 Thread Dan Connolly
Ian Hickson wrote: I've temporarily removed the requirements on video codecs from the HTML5 spec, since the current text isn't helping us come to a useful interoperable conclusion. When a codec is found that is mutually acceptable to all major parties I will update the spec to require that

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2007-12-12 Thread Krzysztof Żelechowski
Dnia 12-12-2007, Śr o godzinie 00:11 -0500, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) pisze: I'd rephrase it as # Has had traction, time and exposure in the market, enough so patent threats should have arisen already. That is, as a study of a troll's lifestyle shows, indefinite.

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2007-12-12 Thread Krzysztof Żelechowski
Dnia 11-12-2007, Wt o godzinie 18:53 -0500, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) pisze: Wanna know what happened to the last troll that attacked free software? Ask Darl McBride. Everyone is under the possibility of constant attack from trolls. He was not a patent troll, he was acting for Microsoft and

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2007-12-11 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Ian Hickson wrote: I've temporarily removed the requirements on video codecs from the HTML5 spec, since the current text isn't helping us come to a useful interoperable conclusion. I don't think this solves any problem, neither in the short term or the long term. I suggest that the should

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2007-12-11 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2007-12-11 02:39 +, Ian Hickson wrote: I've temporarily removed the requirements on video codecs from the HTML5 spec, since the current text isn't helping us come to a useful interoperable conclusion. When a codec is found that is mutually acceptable to all major parties I

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2007-12-11 Thread Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
The text you replaced the requirements with [1] includes the requirement that the codec: # is not an additional submarine patent risk for large companies Is this something that can be measured objectively, or is it a loophole that allows any sufficiently large company to veto the choice of

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2007-12-11 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Dec 11, 2007, at 3:27 PM, L. David Baron wrote: On Tuesday 2007-12-11 02:39 +, Ian Hickson wrote: I've temporarily removed the requirements on video codecs from the HTML5 spec, since the current text isn't helping us come to a useful interoperable conclusion. When a codec is found

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2007-12-11 Thread Conrad Parker
On 12/12/2007, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there are some objective criteria that can help determine the scope of risk: 1) Is the codec already in use by deep-pockets vendors? ... Vorbis: 1) maybe (I've heard game vendors cited, not sure which ones) Microsoft

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2007-12-11 Thread Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves
On 12/11/07, L. David Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # is not an additional submarine patent risk for large companies Is this something that can be measured objectively, or is it a loophole that allows any sufficiently large company to veto the choice of codec for any reason it chooses,

Re: [whatwg] Video codec requirements changed

2007-12-11 Thread Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
I'd rephrase it as # Has had traction, time and exposure in the market, enough so patent threats should have arisen already. Which is basically the same meaning, and includes Ogg Vorbis technology. Because if America Online (Winamp) is not a big company, then I don't know the meaning of the