Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon

2014-07-31 Thread Mathias Bynens
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: That would mean http://annevankesteren.com/robots.txt cannot have an icon, unless we revive the Link header somehow, but there wasn't much interest in that. Actually, there is now, at least on Google’s side, in the

Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon

2014-07-30 Thread Niels Keurentjes
: dinsdag 29 juli 2014 23:22 To: Anne van Kesteren Cc: WHATWG Subject: Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon I'd really like to avoid sticking this in specs. We already have 3 ways of adding icons, /favicon.ico, link rel=icon and link rel=manifest. That's probably about 2 too many. We shouldn't add a 4th one

Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon

2014-07-30 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Niels Keurentjes niels.keurent...@omines.com wrote: Given that the /favicon.ico fallback is really only there for IE5/6/7 compatibility to my knowledge, Uhm, no. It's universally supported. -- http://annevankesteren.nl/

Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon

2014-07-30 Thread Matthew Noorenberghe
- Original Message - From: Niels Keurentjes niels.keurent...@omines.com Cc: WHATWG wha...@whatwg.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:48:33 AM Subject: Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon Given that the /favicon.ico fallback is really only there for IE5/6/7 compatibility to my knowledge

Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon

2014-07-30 Thread Niels Keurentjes
...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Anne van Kesteren Sent: woensdag 30 juli 2014 10:52 To: Niels Keurentjes Cc: WHATWG Subject: Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Niels Keurentjes niels.keurent...@omines.com wrote: Given that the /favicon.ico fallback is really only

Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon

2014-07-30 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Niels Keurentjes niels.keurent...@omines.com wrote: The message to web developers should just be if you want icons, explicitly specify them. That would mean http://annevankesteren.com/robots.txt cannot have an icon, unless we revive the Link header somehow,

Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon

2014-07-29 Thread Mathias Bynens
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:59 PM, John Mellor joh...@google.com wrote: Chrome 30 dropped support[1] for fetching apple-touch-icon-* from well known URLs, since the 404 pages that are usually returned were consuming 3-4% of all mobile bandwidth usage[2]. We're unlikely to reverse that. Good to

Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon

2014-07-29 Thread John Mellor
On 29 July 2014 12:46, Mathias Bynens mathi...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:59 PM, John Mellor joh...@google.com wrote: We still support apple-touch-icon-* via link rel under some circumstances (e.g. for add to homescreen), but they're deprecated[3], since we'd like authors

Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon

2014-07-29 Thread Jonas Sicking
I'd really like to avoid sticking this in specs. We already have 3 ways of adding icons, /favicon.ico, link rel=icon and link rel=manifest. That's probably about 2 too many. We shouldn't add a 4th one. Generally speaking, eventually I think manifests is what will encourage the best UX and the

Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon

2014-07-28 Thread Mathias Bynens
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: For link rel=icon we already define the /favicon.ico fallback. If a page lacks link rel=icon sizes we should probably also look at Apple's proprietary extension here given that it's quite widely adopted. Chrome supports

Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon

2014-07-28 Thread John Mellor
Chrome 30 dropped support[1] for fetching apple-touch-icon-* from well known URLs, since the 404 pages that are usually returned were consuming 3-4% of all mobile bandwidth usage[2]. We're unlikely to reverse that. We still support apple-touch-icon-* via link rel under some circumstances (e.g.

Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon

2014-07-28 Thread Kevin Marks
Using a single JPEG/PNG that is also part of the home page display is a way to mitigate bandwidth used. Another way to do this is to use an SVG for a logo - which browsers support this now? On 28 Jul 2014 07:59, John Mellor joh...@google.com wrote: Chrome 30 dropped support[1] for fetching

[whatwg] apple-touch-icon

2014-07-27 Thread Anne van Kesteren
For link rel=icon we already define the /favicon.ico fallback. If a page lacks link rel=icon sizes we should probably also look at Apple's proprietary extension here given that it's quite widely adopted. Chrome supports it and there is some work going on in Firefox as well:

Re: [whatwg] apple-touch-icon

2014-07-27 Thread Kevin Marks
some data here: http://indiewebcamp.com/icon On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 5:13 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: For link rel=icon we already define the /favicon.ico fallback. If a page lacks link rel=icon sizes we should probably also look at Apple's proprietary extension here given