Re: [whatwg] several messages about cite

2008-04-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Shannon wrote: All of them. class isn't intended for styling, it's intended to subclass elements. Regardless of the intention of the class element it is NOT used in the real world to subclass anything but styles and custom script. We may wish otherwise but that is

Re: [whatwg] several messages about cite

2008-04-15 Thread Shannon
Ironically (given that you proposed using rel= instead) as far as I know Google has never based anything on class values, but has used rel= values (like rel=nofollow). Which indicates to me that they were concerned enough about class=nofollow to not use it. I personally think that nofollow

Re: [whatwg] several messages about cite

2008-04-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Shannon wrote: It's alternative because it attempts to actually classify something rather than generically label it. I agree that class should only do the first and I do this with my own code but most designers do not. As far as the web design world is concerned class

Re: [whatwg] several messages about cite

2008-04-15 Thread Shannon
Ian Hickson wrote: We're not talking about making class meaningful. I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing against at this point. The proposal is just that authors should use class= to distinguish the various ways they use i so that they can (e.g.) style them differently. Where is

Re: [whatwg] several messages about cite

2008-04-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Shannon wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: We're not talking about making class meaningful. I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing against at this point. The proposal is just that authors should use class= to distinguish the various ways they use i so that they

Re: [whatwg] several messages about cite

2008-04-14 Thread Ian Hickson
I seemed to have missed these when going through the cite e-mails recently. On Sat, 16 Apr 2005, John Lewis wrote: A way to mark up titles is something I've always wanted in HTML. Currently, cite is only appropriate for actual citations. I rarely cite books, movies, etc.; I'm usually just

Re: [whatwg] several messages about cite

2008-04-14 Thread Shannon
If we go with something like a TYPE attribute, I hope we can give it a better name. However, hiding semantics inside the value of an attribute is a poor markup design in humble opinion. (Although it also has some advantages.) It's subclassing: the general is sufficient, the specific

Re: [whatwg] several messages about cite

2008-04-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Shannon wrote: I've seen a few suggestions now that class be used as an identifying attribute for purposes other than CSS. While this seems logical it raises some issues for designers and implementers. Consider the following: cite class=small book blueThe

Re: [whatwg] several messages about cite

2008-04-14 Thread Shannon
All of them. class isn't intended for styling, it's intended to subclass elements. Regardless of the intention of the class element it is NOT used in the real world to subclass anything but styles and custom script. We may wish otherwise but that is irrelevant. The value of class to me is: