Re: [whatwg] In correct HTML 5 tutorials
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008, Biju [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.w3schools.com/ is a very popular tutorial site. They have already started tutorials for HTML5 http://www.w3schools.com/tags/html5.asp I see errors at http://www.w3schools.com/tags/html5_video.asp and http://www.w3schools.com/tags/html5_audio.asp autoplay == true | false controls == true | false As far as I know autoplay=false also means enable autoplay in firefox. I wish somebody contact them to correct those and other errors. Please do so! :-) I encourage you to contact this site as well as any others and point out any mistakes you see. I think it's great that tutorials are starting to appear; though as you point out, it would be nice if they were correct. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
Re: [whatwg] RDFa discussion
Thanks. Your advice here, seems, fundamentally, like a most sensible choice. 96 (or so*) semantic primitives (e.g. act (generic verb marker), thing and essence (generic noun markers), value(quality and magnitude), able/possible, universal and existential, poset (brings comparatives for ancestry, modal logic, ethics and spatial process) , person, this/that/yonder (as in Navajo -- enables deixis for person, time, evaluative and space modalities), need, sense, and think; adjectival mark, gender, negation (incl. voidance reflection), time (including past present and poset/hypothetical), space (including those which are metric but non-dimensional, but certainly including directional vectors in nonmetric spaces flavored by vector bundles) , iteration/extrapolation/completion (for continuative aspects of verbs), number, change, the SFOL conjunctions plus preventative and causitive, ...,, plus an appropriate syntax (parentheses plus crossreferences: i.,e., , graphs), I think, suffices to encode most of the non-molecular cognitive reality of humans (and several hypothetical categories of sentient species ). The molecular world populated by halibut, coca-cola, guitars and rhinos is likely to require an open and extensible format, but plain old human thought as expressed in philosophy, teleology and mechanism is likely not to require much more, until, perhaps, we mutate. Of course the expressive power of such a system includes undecidable subsystems and likely allows the derivation of contradictions, but humans have generally not been known to implode under exposure to simple contradictions, so that need not be a problem for inference engines. So I think a proper full-bodied inferential realm can indeed be hashed out. Providing a forum for that to be done, off-list, seems great since the whatwgers often seem to use semantics to refer to something rather different than meaning in the sense of human linguistics. cheers, David *I rather doubt that the number is prime, though determining that has been shown to be NP-complete for arbitrary monolingual dictionaries. - Original Message - From: Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: [whatwg] RDFa discussion It seems that there is a lot of discussion here but I haven't really seen much progress. Part of the problem seems to be that there are some pretty fundamental disagreements on what we are trying to do and whether anyone cares to do it. :-) In order to better document this back-and-forth, and to reduce the total number of e-mails I will have to reply to when I eventually deal with this topic, I would like to invite people to place the goals and requirements of the technologies being proposed on this wiki page: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Generic_Metadata_Mechanisms I would then like people to place their arguments pro and con each point on that same page. I have tried to put in some placeholder arguments to show how that might work. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
Re: [whatwg] Creative Commons Rights Expression Language
Le 29 août 2008 à 23:04, Henri Sivonen a écrit : Also, having more metadata leads to UI clutter and data entry fatigue that alienates users. In the past, I worked on a content repository project that failed because (among other things) the content upload UI asked for an insane amount (a couple of screenfuls back then; probably a screenful today) of metadata when it didn't occur to system specifiers to invest in full text search. More metadata isn't better. Instead, systems should ask for the least amount of metadata that can possibly work (when the metadata must be entered by humans as opposed to being captured by machines like EXIF data). See also http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/08/the-digital-stakhanovite hehe. This was a-good-try-but-mischaracterization-from-the-ministry-of- truth to associate this article with the rants on metadata :) Let's clarify. What I explain in the article is not the volume of metadata, but the volume of items and the context of usage. 1. Extract anything you can from the data itself (exif, iptc, xmp, modifications, date) 2. Give a possibility in the UI to modify or add data. In a business environment, you might have to give metadata about a work. I do it in my every day job. I give titles to my emails, I put comments in my cvs commits, etc. etc. These are all constraints. Not adding the data would still work technically. For my own personal photo, I don't (want/have) time to put plenty of metadata. And that's fine. I do though bulk metadata at a regular pace, for location (ex: all these selected photos have been taken in Taiwan with the help of GUI tools. Yes tools save my life). Having a UI cluttered with fields to enter is not a failure of metadata, it is a failure of the project in the social and business constraints of the project. -- Karl Dubost - W3C http://www.w3.org/QA/ Be Strict To Be Cool
Re: [whatwg] In correct HTML 5 tutorials
Per http://www.w3schools.com/about/about_refsnes.asp I see Ståle Refsnes as author of said tutorial. So let me forward this mail to them. http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-August/016159.html subscribe to list at http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 4:00 AM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2008, Biju [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.w3schools.com/ is a very popular tutorial site. They have already started tutorials for HTML5 http://www.w3schools.com/tags/html5.asp I see errors at http://www.w3schools.com/tags/html5_video.asp and http://www.w3schools.com/tags/html5_audio.asp autoplay == true | false controls == true | false As far as I know autoplay=false also means enable autoplay in firefox. I wish somebody contact them to correct those and other errors. Please do so! :-) I encourage you to contact this site as well as any others and point out any mistakes you see. I think it's great that tutorials are starting to appear; though as you point out, it would be nice if they were correct. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
