Re: [whatwg] the cite element

2009-07-02 Thread Jeremy Keith
Chris wrote: If more then titles means other uses of the CITE tag, as evidenced in [1], they do not form any pattern. They look more like random errors. I've used the CITE element fairly extensively on my blog, *mostly* for titles (books, films) but also for people. If it's a proper noun,

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text

2009-07-02 Thread Markus Ernst
Ian Hickson schrieb: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Andrew W. Hagen wrote: Encouraging use of small print for legalese also encourages this: h1 a href=continue.html Welcome to the BigCo web site. Click to continue. /a /h1 smallBy clicking above, you agree that BigCo can charge your credit card $10 per

[whatwg] Rel and META values

2009-07-02 Thread Jeremy Keith
I'm a bit confused by the conditions set out at the bottom of the rel extensions wiki page: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/RelExtensions For the Status section to be changed to Accepted, the proposed keyword must either have been through the Microformats process, and been approved by the

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-02 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:01:02 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:29:17 +0200, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:39:05 +0200, Peter Kasting

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text

2009-07-02 Thread Andrew W. Hagen
The text from the current spec is, Small print is typically legalese describing disclaimers, caveats, legal restrictions, or copyrights. Small print is also sometimes used for attribution. By suggesting it is typical, that implicitly encourages people to use small print for legal text. One of

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text

2009-07-02 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
I have addressed all Andrew's points previously. Please forgive my posting an outline of the arguments here. 1. The specification does not encourage using the SMALL element for legal notices. It merely allows the SMALL element to contain legal notices. 2. Legal texts are unreadable on their

[whatwg] Reminder - there's no need to repeat yourself

2009-07-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: I have addressed all Andrew's points previously. Please forgive my posting an outline of the arguments here. Just as a reminder (and this is especially relevant for the video codecs discussion!), there is no need to repeat previously stated

[whatwg] Session history

2009-07-02 Thread Olli Pettay
Hi all, copy-pasting an IRC conversation about session history. Seems like HTML5 isn't compatible with any implementation. [22:58] smaug Hixie: ping [22:58] Hixie hey [22:59] smaug Hixie: about HTML5's session history [22:59] Hixie yes [22:59] smaug I'm trying to understand the Each

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-02 Thread Charles Pritchard
whatwg-requ...@lists.whatwg.org wrote: Message: 3 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:50:31 + (UTC) From: Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch Subject: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video To: WHATWG wha...@whatwg.org Message-ID: pine.lnx.4.62.0906292331380.1...@hixie.dreamhostps.com After an inordinate amount

[whatwg] Nested list

2009-07-02 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
Hi, I just realized that in HTML4.01 spec, DTD doesn't seem to allow nested OL or UL without LI. See http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/lists.html#h-10.2 In fact, the nested list example is marked deprecated.  But in practice, all major user agents produce nested list when

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-02 Thread Ian Hickson
I understand that people are disappointed that we can't require Theora support. I am disappointed in the lack of progress on this issue also. On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: I considered requiring Ogg Theora

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-02 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: Going forward, I see several (not mutually exclusive) possibilities, all of which will take several years:  1. Ogg Theora encoders continue to improve. Off-the-shelf hardware Ogg    Theora decoder chips become available.

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Actually HTML5 is largely built on the idea of speccing the de-facto standards, either long after they were implemented, or in tandem with them being implemented. Very little of HTML5 has been ahead of implementations. What about Internet

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-02 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: That I can understand. But in this case, you should leave the paragraph in the spec that states the need for a baseline codec, since the situation hasn't changed and we are still

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: That action I can understand. But then I would say we should have a collection of things that we need to work on for a second version of HTML5, which obviously includes the baseline codec question and also audio/video a11y, and probably many more

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-02 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: That action I can understand. But then I would say we should have a collection of things that we need to work on for a second version of HTML5, which obviously includes the baseline

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-02 Thread Charles Pritchard
I'd like to see some progress on these two tags. I'd like people to consider that Vorbis can be implemented in virtual machines (Java, Flash) which support raw PCM data. Theora is no different. I'd like to see canvas support added to the video tag (it's as natural as img). and enable the

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-02 Thread Adam Shannon
Do you have an idea on how to introduce fall back support for browsers that don't even support canvas, how will they be expected to implement a base64 string when they skip the element's attributes? Might a img tag work with the src= set to the same string as the base64? Or would that contradict

[whatwg] HTML5 Definition of week (section 2.4.5.6)

2009-07-02 Thread SJ Kissane
Hi I am concerned by the wording of this section. There are different systems of week number -- as far as I can work out, this is the same as ISO 8601 week numbering. But it nowhere explicitly says that. I think, the spec should have a normative reference to ISO 8601 for the definition of week