Re: [whatwg] [html5] r3820 - [e] (0) step/min/max examples.

2009-09-13 Thread Simon Pieters
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:50:29 +0200, wha...@whatwg.org wrote: Author: ianh Date: 2009-09-13 00:50:28 -0700 (Sun, 13 Sep 2009) New Revision: 3820 Modified: index source Log: [e] (0) step/min/max examples. Modified: index ===

Re: [whatwg] [html5] r3820 - [e] (0) step/min/max examples.

2009-09-13 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009, Simon Pieters wrote: On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:50:29 +0200, wha...@whatwg.org wrote: Author: ianh Date: 2009-09-13 00:50:28 -0700 (Sun, 13 Sep 2009) New Revision: 3820 Modified: index source Log: [e] (0) step/min/max examples. Modified: index

Re: [whatwg] [html5] r3820 - [e] (0) step/min/max examples.

2009-09-13 Thread Simon Pieters
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:52:18 +0200, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: s/2000/1999/ Since when? Oops. I thought the 21st century started 2000, but it seems I was wrong. -- Simon Pieters Opera Software

Re: [whatwg] [html5] r3820 - [e] (0) step/min/max examples.

2009-09-13 Thread James Graham
Quoting Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com: On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:52:18 +0200, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: s/2000/1999/ Since when? Oops. I thought the 21st century started 2000, but it seems I was wrong. Since almost everyone uses the zero-based-century convention it would be much

Re: [whatwg] object behavior

2009-09-13 Thread timeless
Boris wrote:  I'm not sure where this list of (extension,type) pairs comes from, but it looks like the plug-in provides it somehow (possibly even in that form, looking at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/modules/plugin/base/src/nsPluginsDirUtils.h#53). plugins register tripples:

Re: [whatwg] HTML extension for system idle detection.

2009-09-13 Thread timeless
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Jens Alfkes...@google.com wrote: The first statement implies that a web-app on your platform cannot implement the algorithm you recommend. Sure it can. The user is effectively idle, in that they are not using your web application period. That they might be

Re: [whatwg] HTML extension for system idle detection.

2009-09-13 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Jens Alfke s...@google.com wrote: That is not what idle means to an instant-messaging/presence service like AIM or Jabber. The idle state means the user is not at the device, to the best of its knowledge. If the user is capable of receiving messages but does

Re: [whatwg] HTML extension for system idle detection.

2009-09-13 Thread Jens Alfke
On Sep 13, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: As far as I know, web apps have no way to get the user's attention if they aren't using the web app, do they? GMail 'blinks' by alternating the window title between two states, which can be effective even if the animation in the window

Re: [whatwg] Setting document.location.hash to a not-yet-loaded element

2009-09-13 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Aryeh Gregor wrote: Consider the following test page: !doctype html titletest/title scriptdocument.location = #frag/script div style=margin-top: 100em/div p id=fragJump to me!/p Observed behavior in both Chrome 4 and Opera 9.6 is that the browser jumps to the given

Re: [whatwg] Fakepath revisited

2009-09-13 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Alex Henrie wrote: I would like to revisit HTML5 section 4.10.4.3, as circumstances have changed since it was last discussed. For those of you not familiar with the issue, section 4.10.4.3 defines the value property of input type=file/ elements. This behavior is not

Re: [whatwg] Fakepath revisited

2009-09-13 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Sep 7, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Aryeh Gregor Simetrical +...@gmail.com wrote: Browser vendors cannot sacrifice compatibility for long-term goals, because their users will rebel. We can sacrifice *some* compatibility for *some* long-term

Re: [whatwg] Fakepath revisited

2009-09-13 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: There are basically only two arguments:     Aesthetics: Having the fake path is ugly and poor language design.  Compatibility: Having it increases compatibility with deployed content. In HTML5's development, compatibility is

Re: [whatwg] Fakepath revisited

2009-09-13 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Eduard Pascual herenva...@gmail.com wrote: I already posted an example showing how fakepath can easily break compatibility with well-written sites. I explicitly asked for counter-arguments to it and none has been provided, but the argument doesn't seem to be

Re: [whatwg] Setting document.location.hash to a not-yet-loaded element

2009-09-13 Thread Aryeh Gregor
I've filed a bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516293

Re: [whatwg] Fakepath revisited

2009-09-13 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: In HTML5's development, compatibility is a stronger argument than aesthetics. Therefore the path stays. This is a very minor issue and I'm fine with adding this to Gecko, personally, except that first I really would like to see

Re: [whatwg] Fakepath revisited

2009-09-13 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009, Eduard Pascual wrote: I already posted an example showing how fakepath can easily break compatibility with well-written sites. I explicitly asked for counter-arguments to it and none has been provided, but the argument doesn't seem to be taken in consideration at all.

Re: [whatwg] Fakepath revisited

2009-09-13 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Here are some bug reports that I believe are caused by this issue: http://forums.linksysbycisco.com/linksys/board/message?board.id=Wireless_Routersmessage.id=135649

Re: [whatwg] Fakepath revisited

2009-09-13 Thread Biju
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: I guess we should just suck it up. Cant we wait some more time before we change current behavior in Mozilla. I believe once IE8 is popular enough the firmware people will make change in their code and they will also

Re: [whatwg] Fakepath revisited

2009-09-13 Thread Biju
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Biju bijumaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: I guess we should just suck it up. Cant we wait some more time before we change current behavior in Mozilla. Also it wont solve all the path

Re: [whatwg] HTML extension for system idle detection.

2009-09-13 Thread timeless
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Jens Alfkes...@google.com wrote: That is not what idle means to an instant-messaging/presence service like AIM or Jabber. The idle state means the user is not at the device, to the best of its knowledge. If the user is capable of receiving messages but does not

Re: [whatwg] Fakepath revisited

2009-09-13 Thread timeless
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Bijubijumaill...@gmail.com wrote: Cant we wait some more time before we change current behavior in Mozilla. I believe once IE8 is popular enough the firmware people will make change in their code and they will also test it in Firefox. Err, you're missing a key

Re: [whatwg] Fakepath revisited

2009-09-13 Thread timeless
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Bijubijumaill...@gmail.com wrote: Also it wont solve all the path problem with Firefox. As many intranet sites expect to get user chosen network path. Which I believe IE8 is still providing, and Firefox is not. OK, for this I'd like to have real data. Can you