Re: [whatwg] Default encoding to UTF-8?

2011-12-06 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2011-12-06 6:54, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: Yeah, it would be a pity if it had already become an widespread cargo-cult to - all at once - use HTML5 doctype without using UTF-8 *and* without using some encoding declaration *and* thus effectively relying on the default locale encoding ... Who does

Re: [whatwg] Default encoding to UTF-8?

2011-12-06 Thread NARUSE, Yui
(2011/12/06 17:39), Jukka K. Korpela wrote: 2011-12-06 6:54, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: Yeah, it would be a pity if it had already become an widespread cargo-cult to - all at once - use HTML5 doctype without using UTF-8 *and* without using some encoding declaration *and* thus effectively

Re: [whatwg] object, type, and fallback

2011-12-06 Thread Brady Eidson
On Dec 5, 2011, at 23:06 , Simon Pieters wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:19:33 +0100, Brady Eidson beid...@apple.com wrote: I can't find a definitive answer for the following scenario: 1 - A page has a plug-in with fallback specified as follows: object type=application/x-shockwave-flash

[whatwg] Proposal: intent tag for Web Intents API

2011-12-06 Thread James Hawkins
*** Overview *** The W3C Web Intents Task Force is working on the Web Intents API at public-web-inte...@w3.org: see the bottom of this email for details. Web Intents is a web platform API that provides client-side service discovery and inter-application communication. Services register to

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: intent tag for Web Intents API

2011-12-06 Thread Paul Kinlan
I would like to add that we also had a long discussion about trying to re-use the meta element for specifying intents. The syntax was something like: meta name=intent-action content=http://webintents.org/share; / meta name=intent-type content=image/* / Pros: * declarative * use's existing tags

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: intent tag for Web Intents API

2011-12-06 Thread James Hawkins
To clarify, my use of the word 'we' below is we the designers of the API, not the participants of the Web Intents TF. As stated in the 'API Status' section below, discussions about Web Intents are ongoing in the TF. In addition, note that nothing is finalized in the Web Intents API as of yet.

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: intent tag for Web Intents API

2011-12-06 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 19:40:20 +0100, Paul Kinlan paulkin...@google.com wrote: I would like to add that we also had a long discussion about trying to re-use the meta element for specifying intents. The syntax was something like: meta name=intent-action content=http://webintents.org/share; / meta

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: intent tag for Web Intents API

2011-12-06 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 19:00:36 +0100, James Hawkins jhawk...@google.com wrote: !ENTITY % Disposition {window|inline} !ELEMENT INTENT - O EMPTY -- a Web Intents registration - !ATTLIST INTENT action %URI; #REQUIRED -- URI specifying action -- type%ContentTypes;

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: intent tag for Web Intents API

2011-12-06 Thread James Graham
On Tue, 6 Dec 2011, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Especially changing the way head is parsed is hairy. Every new element we introduce there will cause a body to be implied before it in down-level clients. That's very problematic. Yes, I consider adding new elements to head to be very very bad for

Re: [whatwg] Default encoding to UTF-8?

2011-12-06 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2011-12-06 15:59, NARUSE, Yui wrote: (2011/12/06 17:39), Jukka K. Korpela wrote: 2011-12-06 6:54, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: Yeah, it would be a pity if it had already become an widespread cargo-cult to - all at once - use HTML5 doctype without using UTF-8 *and* without using some encoding

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: intent tag for Web Intents API

2011-12-06 Thread James Hawkins
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:08 PM, James Graham jgra...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 6 Dec 2011, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Especially changing the way head is parsed is hairy. Every new element we introduce there will cause a body to be implied before it in down-level clients. That's very

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: intent tag for Web Intents API

2011-12-06 Thread James Hawkins
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:14 PM, James Hawkins jhawk...@google.com wrote: Originally we envisioned using a self-closing tag placed in head for the intent tag; however, we're now leaning towards not using self-closing and

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: intent tag for Web Intents API

2011-12-06 Thread James Graham
On Tue, 6 Dec 2011, James Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:14 PM, James Hawkins jhawk...@google.com wrote: Originally we envisioned using a self-closing tag placed in head for the intent tag; however, we're now

Re: [whatwg] Default encoding to UTF-8?

2011-12-06 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2011-12-06 22:58, Leif Halvard Silli write: There is now a bug, and the editor says the outcome depends on a browser vendor to ship it: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15076 Jukka K. Korpela Tue Dec 6 00:39:45 PST 2011 what is this proposed change to defaults supposed to

Re: [whatwg] Enhancement request: change EventSource to allow cross-domain access

2011-12-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011, Per-Erik Brodin wrote: Another question was raised in https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61862#c17 The origin set on the dispatched message events is specified to be the origin of the event stream's URL. Is this the URL passed to the EventSource constructor

Re: [whatwg] EventSource - Handling a charset in the content-type header

2011-12-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Anne van Kesteren wrote: I noticed Ian updated the specification, but it seems current implementations differ quite wildly. E.g. Gecko happily ignores Content-Type: text/event-stream;charset=tralala as does Opera instead of closing the connection. Chrome bites, but

Re: [whatwg] proposal: extend time to markup durations

2011-12-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011, Tantek �~Gelik wrote: Some in the microformats community have been making good use of the time element, e.g. for publishing hCalendar, and implementing consuming/converting hCalendar [1] with good success. It would be great if the time element could support expressing

Re: [whatwg] Default encoding to UTF-8?

2011-12-06 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Leif Halvard Silli xn--mlform-...@xn--mlform-iua.no wrote: When you say 'requires': Of course, HTML5 recommends that you declare the encoding (via HTTP/higher protocol, via the BOM 'sideshow' or via meta charset=UTF-8). I just now also discovered that