Re: [whatwg] many messages regarding image captions

2006-11-28 Thread James Graham
On Sat, 4 Nov 2006, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: or make the association implicit by using the for attribute embed id=funnyVid ... caption for=funnyVidA funny video of a man being hit in the groin by a football/caption That would work for the current page layouts of YouTube and

[whatwg] Meaning of the title= attribute

2006-11-28 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Nov 27, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Matthew Raymond wrote: Alexey Feldgendler wrote: ... In your opinion, if %Text attributes (title, alt) in HTML allowed nested markup somehow, wouldn't the title attribute sufficient for fulfilling the use case of captions? No, because a caption is not

Re: [whatwg] many messages regarding image captions

2006-11-28 Thread David Walbert
On Nov 27, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: figure img ... legend ... /legend /figure Ian, thank you -- this is simple, clear, and functional. Ideally (as several people have pointed out) the element would be called caption, but I'm content to accept your explanation

Re: [whatwg] many messages regarding image captions

2006-11-28 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 09:16 -0500, David Walbert wrote: Would the credit element, whatever it is called, be block or inline? Semantically I don't believe it makes much difference. I suppose I'd recommend that it be an inline element inside the legend, because then with CSS I could declare it

Re: [whatwg] many messages regarding image captions

2006-11-28 Thread David Walbert
On Nov 28, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: address / is not the same as credit / but you might well want to include an address / (e.g. for a link to the creator's homepage) in credit / which might necessitate a block content model. Good point. Finally, the captions for

Re: [whatwg] Subject: Re: many messages regarding image captions

2006-11-28 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 28 nov. 2006 à 9:34, David Walbert a écrit : In principle, I see your point, but I don't see that such broadly defined figures would have widespread practical value. A figure in print publishing traditionally referred to anything that couldn't be normally typeset, but in practice that

Re: [whatwg] Subject: Re: many messages regarding image captions

2006-11-28 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 28 nov. 2006 à 11:09, James Graham a écrit : Broad semantics mean that UAs can do fewer useful things with the information. That dilutes the value of having any semantics at all. Paragraphs are used for so many thing they can hardly be used to extract any information at all, yet they're

[whatwg] Allow trailing slash in always-empty HTML5 elements?

2006-11-28 Thread Sam Ruby
In response to a weblog post of mine[1], Ian stated[2]: we can’t make trailing “/” characters meaningful — it would change how about 49% of the Web is parsed Just to make sure that we are talking about the same thing, let me make a much more carefully scoped proposal. In HTML5, there

Re: [whatwg] PaceAutoDiscoveryDraftIsPointless

2006-11-28 Thread James M Snell
Hello, Over on the IETF Atom Syntax mailing list we're discussing whether or not to pursue the autodiscovery draft that had previously been put on the table [1] or to simply point to the HTML5 work and be done with it. While reviewing the HTML5 draft and comparing that to the Atom auto-discovery

Re: [whatwg] PaceAutoDiscoveryDraftIsPointless

2006-11-28 Thread Robert Sayre
On 11/28/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Are multiple alternate links with the same type attribute considered to be equivalent regardless of where those links appear in the document. What do you mean by equivalent ? -- Robert Sayre

Re: [whatwg] Subject: Re: many messages regarding image captions

2006-11-28 Thread James Graham
Michel Fortin wrote: Le 28 nov. 2006 à 11:09, James Graham a écrit : Broad semantics mean that UAs can do fewer useful things with the information. That dilutes the value of having any semantics at all. Paragraphs are used for so many thing they can hardly be used to extract any information

Re: [whatwg] many messages regarding image captions

2006-11-28 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 15:56 -0500, Jeff Seager wrote: I think the artist's name and copyright notice are worthy advisory information to be included in the TITLE attribute of img, embed, or object, and this has been possible for some time. We're dealing with a hypertext medium. Attributes

Re: [whatwg] Alternate link clarifications [was Re: PaceAutoDiscoveryDraftIsPointless]

2006-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006, James M Snell wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: [snip] 1. Is the order of alternate link rels in a document significant? Good question. The draft hadn't covered that. I've now fixed the spec to say that the order is important in one respect: the first link, a, or

Re: [whatwg] Subject: Re: many messages regarding image captions

2006-11-28 Thread David Walbert
On Nov 28, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Michel Fortin wrote: The example from mozilla.org doesn't require any special container element, because it needs no caption. The set-aside text is an example of what's being discussed in the surrounding text, and the heading example serves perfectly well to