Re: [whatwg] href attribute

2007-03-11 Thread Andrew Fedoniouk
- Original Message - From: Daniel Glazman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew Fedoniouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WHATWG [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Matthew Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] href attribute On 11/03/2007 05:59, Andrew Fedoniouk

Re: [whatwg] Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch

2007-03-11 Thread Robert Brodrecht
On Mar 10, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Andrew Fedoniouk wrote: It is idealistic because, say, if you will put following in your .htaccess: AddType foo/bar .html If I AddType application/xhtml+xml .html to a .htaccess file, it causes browsers to interpret my html as XHTML. Browsers might ignore

Re: [whatwg] Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch

2007-03-11 Thread Mihai Sucan
Le Sun, 11 Mar 2007 02:45:18 +0200, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: Not necessarily. For a long time, Microsoft has been in a position where they benefit from the lack of interoperability with other browsers. They had no incentive to make their browser standards-compliant.

Re: [whatwg] Thesis draft about HTML5 conformance checking

2007-03-11 Thread David Håsäther
mozer wrote: [[ common.inner.strict-inline = ( text ) ]] appear twice in the html file If you're referring to 5.6.2.1 Common Content Models, it's ...strict-inline and ...struct-inline (unless this has been fixed since you read it). -- David Håsäther

Re: [whatwg] Thesis draft about HTML5 conformance checking

2007-03-11 Thread mozer
Ach Mensch !! Two in a row !! Hope the last two would help... Thanks David² On 3/11/07, David Håsäther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mozer wrote: [[ common.inner.strict-inline = ( text ) ]] appear twice in the html file If you're referring to 5.6.2.1 Common Content Models, it's

[whatwg] The input stream issues

2007-03-11 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon
From implementing parts of the input stream (section 8.2.2 as of writing) yesterday, I found several issues (some of which will show the asshole[1] within me): - Within the step one of the get an attribute sub-algorithm it says start over – is this start over the sub-algorithm or the

Re: [whatwg] Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch

2007-03-11 Thread Daniel Glazman
On 11/03/2007 13:11, Mihai Sucan wrote: Yes I understand that, however I am skeptical about Microsoft Internet Explorer. I do not really believe they stopped wanting to dominate the web browsers market, and suddenly they'll just make a good web browser. They will create lockins, traps, and

Re: [whatwg] Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch

2007-03-11 Thread Mihai Sucan
Le Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:35:09 +0200, Daniel Glazman [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: Just as a reminder, and I am an old monkey in the world of standards bodies, a standard body is not only a cool place where friendly geeks meet, drink (sometimes) free beer, and write standards for the beauty of

Re: [whatwg] Configure Apache to send the right MIME type for XHTML

2007-03-11 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* L. David Baron wrote: My dismissal of XHTML is that the designers of XHTML and related standards are repeatedly introducing more and more incompatibility between XHTML and HTML, which makes it progressively harder for authors to transition to XHTML (particularly to do so gradually on a large

Re: [whatwg] Configure Apache to send the right MIME type for XHTML

2007-03-11 Thread L. David Baron
On Sunday 2007-03-11 18:26 +0100, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * L. David Baron wrote: My dismissal of XHTML is that the designers of XHTML and related standards are repeatedly introducing more and more incompatibility between XHTML and HTML, which makes it progressively harder for authors to

Re: [whatwg] Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch

2007-03-11 Thread Andrew Fedoniouk
- Original Message - From: Robert Brodrecht To: Andrew Fedoniouk Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch On Mar 10, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Andrew Fedoniouk wrote: It is idealistic because, say,

Re: [whatwg] href attribute

2007-03-11 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:03:02 +0100, Daniel Glazman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In any case not all a's are hyperlinks so for your meaning of semantic they should also not be automatically hyperlinks (or anchors if you wish). I am pretty sure that existence of 'href' attribute is what creates

Re: [whatwg] href attribute

2007-03-11 Thread carmen
On Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 08:52:36PM +0100, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:03:02 +0100, Daniel Glazman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In any case not all a's are hyperlinks so for your meaning of semantic they should also not be automatically hyperlinks (or anchors if you wish). I am

Re: [whatwg] canvas elements rect polygon etc

2007-03-11 Thread carmen
suppose one is building a GUI with solely canvas elements. i suppose i should have researched canvas - it looks like it doesn't have elemnts one might be faimilar with the Tk canvas - you can only draw using javascript. are there plans to support html style creation of elements within the

Re: [whatwg] href attribute

2007-03-11 Thread carmen
On Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 09:30:58PM +0100, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:27:14 +0100, carmen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: suppose one is building a GUI with solely canvas elements. say you have a doorway, clicking on it opens into the room, which is another page. forcing this

Re: [whatwg] canvas elements rect polygon etc

2007-03-11 Thread Matthew Raymond
carmen wrote: are there plans to support html style creation of elements within the canvas tag? How would that be different from Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG)???

Re: [whatwg] href attribute

2007-03-11 Thread Matthew Raymond
Andrew Fedoniouk wrote: This is not a definition of the a element. In fact, a is defined as a anchor, not a hyperlink. I think hyperlink is better in any sense than anchor as a designation of this entity. Why? A hyperlink is a relationship BETWEEN to anchors. It can't be an element

Re: [whatwg] href attribute

2007-03-11 Thread Matthew Raymond
Daniel Glazman wrote: Indeed. IMO, global |href| gives nothing but more confusion. If we want to have hyperlinks on block-level elements, it is simpler just let a and/or other inline elements be legal to wrap block-level elements. No, it gives more than that : if |href| becomes global,

Re: [whatwg] canvas elements rect polygon etc

2007-03-11 Thread carmen
On Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 05:06:06PM -0400, Matthew Raymond wrote: carmen wrote: are there plans to support html style creation of elements within the canvas tag? How would that be different from Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG)??? thats kind of what i'm asking, it looks like SVG has its

Re: [whatwg] Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch

2007-03-11 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:40:18 +0100, Matthew Ratzloff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't care about DTD, but DOCTYPE is established, so it seems strange to trash it in favor of something new when the benefit is questionable (as far as I can tell). It is also evident to me that there needs to

Re: [whatwg] href attribute

2007-03-11 Thread Andrew Fedoniouk
- Original Message - From: Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Daniel Glazman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WHATWG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [whatwg] href attribute On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:03:02 +0100, Daniel Glazman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In

Re: [whatwg] canvas elements rect polygon etc

2007-03-11 Thread ddailey
I have had no interest in learning (or teaching) about the Canvas tag since, from what I can see, it is quite impoverished relative to SVG. And, to boot, it is not universal across browsers. The browsers that support Canvas, pretty much already do support, or seem to be close to supporting SVG.

Re: [whatwg] Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch

2007-03-11 Thread Matthew Ratzloff
On Sun, March 11, 2007 3:20 pm, Anne van Kesteren wrote: There needs to be versioning? The web has done great so far without it... I'm not sure I really see the need. The Web has done great so far without it? When strict mode was introduced, all existing websites didn't suddenly start

Re: [whatwg] Using the HTML5 DOCTYPE as a new quirksmode switch

2007-03-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Matthew Ratzloff wrote: On Sun, March 11, 2007 3:20 pm, Anne van Kesteren wrote: There needs to be versioning? The web has done great so far without it... I'm not sure I really see the need. The Web has done great so far without it? When strict mode was

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Typo in 3.7.5.3. Pragma directives

2007-03-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Mihai Sucan wrote: Reading about the meta element I found a typo in the Pragma directives section, Refresh state. [1] If another meta element in the Refresh state has already been successfully processed (i.e. when it was inserted the user agent processed it and reached

Re: [whatwg] Thesis draft about HTML5 conformance checking

2007-03-11 Thread olivier Thereaux
On Mar 11, 2007, at 02:15 , Henri Sivonen wrote: The draft of my master's thesis is available for commenting at: http://hsivonen.iki.fi/thesis/ Henri, congratulations on your work on the HTML conformance checker and on the Thesis. It's been a truly informative and enlightening reading,

Re: [whatwg] href attribute

2007-03-11 Thread Daniel Glazman
On 11/03/2007 21:30, Anne van Kesteren wrote: What does a href=canvas.../canvas/a not offer that canvas href=.../canvas does? Code quality... The former is just ugly, really ugly, it smells like HTML+ from 1993. /Daniel

Re: [whatwg] href attribute

2007-03-11 Thread Daniel Glazman
On 11/03/2007 22:16, Matthew Raymond wrote: Why? A hyperlink is a relationship BETWEEN to anchors. No. Between two resources. Resources can be anchors inside document instances. /Daniel