Re: [whatwg] Color attributes

2009-02-10 Thread Simon Pieters
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:22:59 +0100, Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2008, Simon Pieters wrote: Color attributes in HTML have special processing. [...] It seems that some pages use three-digit notation and expect it to work as in CSS. I've made the algorithm do that and I've drafted up a sp

[whatwg] Author control over media preloading/buffering

2009-02-10 Thread Robert O'Callahan
When a media element loads, reaches the HAVE_CURRENT_DATA state, but is paused, and 'autoplay' is not set, we have to decide whether to keep downloading data or not. If we expect the user to play the stream, we should keep downloading and buffering data to minimize the chance that buffering will be

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Rendering of interactive content

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009, Giovanni Campagna wrote: > 2009/2/6 Ian Hickson > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2009, Giovanni Campagna wrote: > > > > > > I'm proposing to replace the current rendering mechanism, based on > > > Behavioural Extension to CSS, that in turn is based on XBL2, with > > > something based on the

Re: [whatwg] DOM Storage feedback

2009-02-10 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Cameron McCormack wrote: > Jonas Sicking: >> So it behaves different from passing in an empty string? For some >> functions this surprises me, such as for the namespace parameter for >> getAttributeNS, I would think that we there treat "" the same as null. > > Not

Re: [whatwg] Warnings for non-applicable properties

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, Martin Atkins wrote: > Ian Hickson wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Paul Arzul wrote: > > > is it unfortunate that the html4 stylesheet is only informative? perhaps > > > html5 could then consider giving us a normative default user agent > > > stylesheet - or at least a normativ

Re: [whatwg] Load SVG via IMG element

2009-02-10 Thread ddailey
In the message below, Ian Hickson wrote: It's not clear to me what I should say in HTML5 about this. should just do whatever the image format says it should do, right? I would think so, but I cc-ed Doug Schepers on this who might know of a reason not to. I seem to recall some discussion of th

Re: [whatwg] Warnings for non-applicable properties

2009-02-10 Thread Martin Atkins
Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Paul Arzul wrote: is it unfortunate that the html4 stylesheet is only informative? perhaps html5 could then consider giving us a normative default user agent stylesheet - or at least a normative version with only display properties. The spec has a semi

Re: [whatwg] input type=image width/height attributes

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Kartikaya Gupta wrote: > > Are there any plans to add the width/height attributes for the input > element to the HTML5 spec? It seems that all browsers (Opera, FF, > Safari, IE) support width/height on and standards mode. There are websites that depend on this behavior (the

Re: [whatwg] Warnings for non-applicable properties

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Paul Arzul wrote: > > is it unfortunate that the html4 stylesheet is only informative? perhaps > html5 could then consider giving us a normative default user agent > stylesheet - or at least a normative version with only display > properties. The spec has a semi-normative

Re: [whatwg] [HTML5] Accessibility question

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Nicholas C. Zakas wrote: > > Apologies for not replying sooner, I've been struck with a bit of the > flu. > > The problem I'm trying to solve is the case where you need descriptive > text for screen readers but that text is not necessary for sighted > users. For example, ou

Re: [whatwg] Load SVG via IMG element

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Vlad Alexander (xhtml.com) wrote: > > I noticed that Opera 9.5 can load an SVG image via the IMG element. I > think this is a wonderful thing. Is there any specification on how this > should work? For example, I noticed that Opera, for some reason, does > not scale SVG images

Re: [whatwg] Color attributes

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008, Simon Pieters wrote: > > Color attributes in HTML have special processing. [...] > > It seems that some pages use three-digit notation and expect it to work > as in CSS. I've made the algorithm do that and I've drafted up a spec > for this: > >http://simon.html5.org/spe

Re: [whatwg] Video playback quality metric

2009-02-10 Thread Ralph Giles
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Michael A. Puls II wrote: > Flash has low, medium and high quality that the user can change (although a > lot of sites/players seem to rudely disable that option in the menu for some > reason). This helps out a lot and can allow a video to play better. I could > i

Re: [whatwg] Default (informal) Style Sheet

2009-02-10 Thread Asbjørn Ulsberg
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:52:32 +0100, Ian Hickson wrote: Speaking of , having a default style for it would increase interoperability (if only in the presentation layer) a great deal. Done. Excellent! -- Asbjørn Ulsberg -=|=- asbj...@ulsberg.no «He's a loathsome offensive bru

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2009-02-10 Thread Smylers
Markus Ernst writes: > Ian Hickson schrieb: > > > I don't think this is a big enough problem to deserve solutions more > > complicated than the soft hyphen at this time. > > Jukka Korpela stated that the intention of the soft hyphen is not > actually a hyphenation hint: > http://www.cs.tut.fi/~

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, Markus Ernst wrote: > > > > While I appreciate the problems faced by Swedish, German, and othes, I > > don't think this is a big enough problem to deserve solutions more > > complicated than the soft hyphen at this time. > > Jukka Korpela stated that the intention of the so

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2009-02-10 Thread Markus Ernst
Ian Hickson schrieb: On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, �istein E. Andersen wrote: Hyphenation does not seem to have been discussed on this list so far, and I think it should be. Old proposal: [2] http://www.nada.kth.se/i18n/html/hyph.html While I appreciate the problems faced by Swedish, German, and o

Re: [whatwg] Default (informal) Style Sheet

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007, Kempen, E.J.F. van wrote: > > > > [mailto:whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Asbj�rn Ulsberg > > > > While HTML is a semantic markup language, it's not something to ignore > > that it's mostly used for visual rendering of content, often > > accompanied by a CSS docu

Re: [whatwg] How to improve the appearance of web pages

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Behnam ZWNJ Esfahbod wrote: > > Implementing a new web application from scratch, I found out some new > ideas to make the appearance of site better. I'm not sure here are the > best place for this discussion, but at least it's not out of interest. > > First one is how Mozi

Re: [whatwg] Ideas regarding Web Applications 1.0

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Nicholas Shanks wrote: > On 28 Feb 2007, at 05:38, Ian Hickson wrote: > > > For example, your page-wide header might need shortening on handheld > > media. I don't have a good proposal for this. Maybe we need the > > opposite of ? > > We already have the opposite of the abb

Re: [whatwg] Hyphenation

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, �istein E. Andersen wrote: > > Hyphenation does not seem to have been discussed on this list so far, > and I think it should be. > > Old proposal: > [2] http://www.nada.kth.se/i18n/html/hyph.html While I appreciate the problems faced by Swedish, German, and othes, I don'

Re: [whatwg] Video playback quality metric

2009-02-10 Thread Michael A. Puls II
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:38:01 -0500, James Graham wrote: Jeremy Doig wrote: Measuring the rate at which the playback buffer is filling/emptying gives a fair indication of network goodput, but there does not appear to be a way to measure just how well the client is playing the video itself. I

Re: [whatwg] MediaModeAbstractView and changing of media dynamically

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:27:12 -, Joao Eiras wrote: > > > > So, I suggest the creation of the 'media-change' event, which will > > fire when the UA changes media, having the document as target. The > > event object could be an instance of a UIEve

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Semantic elements and spec complexity

2009-02-10 Thread James Graham
Since is intended to be useful to make subheaders not appear in the ToC, the move from Foo Bar to Foo Bar shouldn't, IMHO, result in ugly borders that everyone has to nuke (compare with ). Yeah, that's a good point. I've left it at just display:block. Four-and-a-bit ye

Re: [whatwg] Video playback quality metric

2009-02-10 Thread James Graham
Jeremy Doig wrote: Measuring the rate at which the playback buffer is filling/emptying gives a fair indication of network goodput, but there does not appear to be a way to measure just how well the client is playing the video itself. If I have a wimpy machine behind a fat network connection, you

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Semantic elements and spec complexity

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, Simon Pieters wrote: > On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:02:36 +0100, Ian Hickson wrote: > > > > , default , , and to having a > > > > slightly darker background than their parent element > > > > > > It seems like there should be something more obvious that could be > > > done for th

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Semantic elements and spec complexity

2009-02-10 Thread Simon Pieters
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:02:36 +0100, Ian Hickson wrote: > , default , , and to having a slightly > darker background than their parent element It seems like there should be something more obvious that could be done for these elements. For and a border below and above, respectivly, would seem

Re: [whatwg] [web-apps] Ability to treat transparent part of element transparent to events

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, martijnw wrote: > > See: > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102695 - Treat some transparent > elements as "transparent to events" > I think that explains basically what I would like to have. > Afaik, that's something that IE is already doing (at least I heard). > Ba

Re: [whatwg] Video playback quality metric

2009-02-10 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:13:09 +0100, Jeremy Doig wrote: Measuring the rate at which the playback buffer is filling/emptying gives a fair indication of network goodput, but there does not appear to be a way to measure just how well the client is playing the video itself. If I have a wimpy m

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Semantic elements and spec complexity

2009-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Matthew Thomas wrote: > > I believe the past 15 years of semantic markup have shown these three > things to be true: > > 1. Most authors Just Don't Care about semantic markup. They'll only use > it if it's the easiest way of getting the visual effect or behavior > t