Re: [whatwg] Something better than DOM_QUOTA_ERROR when LocalStorage is immutable?

2009-06-04 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:15:31 +0200, Jeremy Orlow jor...@chromium.org wrote: *Please, keep this on topic. There's no point to rehashing http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-April/019238.htmlor any of the other similar debates on private browsing and localStorage's

Re: [whatwg] Vulgar fractions

2009-06-04 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Vulgar fractions should be supported in hypertext markup without recourse to MathML. They are vulgar, after all. Requiring the full-blown math rendering engine for everyday business activities, cooking and the like is hardly acceptable for authors that use vulgar fractions for quantities and

Re: [whatwg] Vulgar fractions

2009-06-04 Thread timeless
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Kristof Zelechovski giecr...@stegny.2a.pl wrote: Vulgar fractions should be supported in hypertext markup without recourse to MathML.  They are vulgar, after all. Requiring the full-blown math rendering engine for everyday business activities, Um, HTML5

Re: [whatwg] Vulgar fractions

2009-06-04 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect authors to enter their markup in a TEXTAREA box with no bells and whistles. I am not against MathML math (of course) but requiring MathML for cooking recipes is wrong. Chris

Re: [whatwg] A few comments on the keygen tag

2009-06-04 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 15 Apr 2009, Anders Rundgren wrote: Now to the really problematic stuff:  keygen is not really an HTML tag, it is actually 2 phases of a 3-phase key provisioning protocol. I don't see why a protocol should be plugged

Re: [whatwg] Pre-Last Call Comments

2009-06-04 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Small-print legalese is dull, repetitive, has little to do with the actual content, requires a trained lawyer to read and usually contains almost no markup. Sites often wrap it in a scrollable box so that it does not interfere with the page. Even if the target reader manages to read that stuff,

Re: [whatwg] A few comments on the keygen tag

2009-06-04 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Jun 4, 2009, at 1:26 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 15 Apr 2009, Anders Rundgren wrote: Now to the really problematic stuff: keygen is not really an HTML tag, it is actually 2 phases of a 3-phase key provisioning

Re: [whatwg] The keygen element

2009-06-04 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Which is more likely to be adopted as a cross browser standard? A new html tag? or a new JavaScript object/method? It would presumably depend on how it is to be used. If it's for form submission, then an element would make more

Re: [whatwg] How long should sessionStorage data persist?

2009-06-04 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, João Eiras wrote: On , Jeremy Orlow jor...@google.com wrote: I think this also applies: NOTE: The lifetime of a browsing context can be unrelated to the lifetime of the actual user agent process itself,

Re: [whatwg] the cite element

2009-06-04 Thread Erik Vorhes
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Kristof Zelechovski giecr...@stegny.2a.pl wrote: The HTML is required to produce a meaningful rendering without CSS.  The level of reader surprise at the default rendering of        cite Aristotle/cite said is high and such markup should be verbally deprecated.

Re: [whatwg] Something better than DOM_QUOTA_ERROR when LocalStorage is immutable?

2009-06-04 Thread Darin Adler
On Jun 4, 2009, at 12:27 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Doesn't this reveal what mode the user is using to view the site? That seems kind of bad. It all depends on the intent of the feature. Some browsers have features intended to shield the identity of the person doing browsing from the

[whatwg] Changing postMessage() to allow sending unentangled ports

2009-06-04 Thread Drew Wilson
Hi all, I'd like to propose a change to the spec for postMessage(). Currently the spec reads: Throws an INVALID_STATE_ERRhttp://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/infrastructure.html#invalid_state_err if the ports array is not null and it contains either null entries, duplicate

Re: [whatwg] the cite element

2009-06-04 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
The level of surprise of an article cited as a book is far smaller than a real author looking like a fictitious person, as in the default rendering of CITE Aristotle/CITE said. Not everybody is an expert in scholarly style guides but most readers feel the difference between direct speech

[whatwg] HTML5 3.7.2 - document.write

2009-06-04 Thread Kartikaya Gupta
I have a question about section 3.7.2. Under step 5, it says that it is considered a reentrant invocation of parser if the document.write() method was called from script executing inline. Does this include document.write() calls invoked from user actions (e.g. onclick)? I assume not, but I'm

[whatwg] Smart cards and the keygen element

2009-06-04 Thread Anders Rundgren
A guesstimate is that less than 1 out of 10 000 smart cards actually are provisioned with keygen. There are two reasons for that: 1. keygen does not support the information/processes involved 2. current smart cards are unsuitable for on-line provisioning by end-users Due to this smart

[whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text (was: Pre-Last Call Comments)

2009-06-04 Thread Andrew W. Hagen
Responding to Kristof Zelechovski. I have a copy of the Constitution of the United States on my web site. That is a legal text. It also qualifies as legalese, a derogatory term. If I were to change it to HTML 5, the current spec encourages me to place the entire Constitution in small elements.

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text (was: Pre-Last Call Comments)

2009-06-04 Thread Křištof Želechovski
While I actually defended the recommendation to use the SMALL element for legal text, and I am still ready to do it, it is worth noting that the text of section 4.6.6. does not contain such a recommendation. It merely states that out of possible uses of the SMALL element, the legal use is the

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Pre-Last Call Comments

2009-06-04 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Am Mittwoch, den 03.06.2009, 13:23 +0200 schrieb Kristof Zelechovski: The validator generates an error for the classid attribute (in line with what the specification says, I think). An error, unlike a warning, breaks any complex process that depends on successful validation of the components.

Re: [whatwg] Smart cards and the keygen element

2009-06-04 Thread Anders Rundgren
redirected FYI :-) Eddy Nigg wrote: A guesstimate is that less than 1 out of 10 000 smart cards actually are provisioned with keygen. Can you backup your statement with facts please? I wrote guesstimate. However, if we exclude a limited number of security nerds (that mainly produce cards

Re: [whatwg] [html5] Pre-Last Call Comments

2009-06-04 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
The ActiveX components I use are proprietary non-standard technology. Granted. However, the interface to them, HTML, is standard and non-proprietary. Of course, one can use proprietary extensions like namespaces and data sources as well, and sometimes it is necessary for rendering and data

Re: [whatwg] the cite element

2009-06-04 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Rendering the name Aristotle in italic by itself, if not used for emphasis, indicates that the name is used in an oblique, indirect way, perhaps referring to a fictitious person or a nickname, the person referred to as Aristotle by a 3rd party. Please do not ask me why this is so; I shall not be

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text (was: Pre-Last Call Comments)

2009-06-04 Thread Jeff Walden
Do you seriously believe any client in an industry where he has to step carefully enough to worry about typographical formatting of legal notices is fool enough to follow a not-even-recommendation in the HTML5 specification over what his lawyer tells him is the correct thing to do? Jeff

Re: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional?

2009-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, �istein E. Andersen wrote: HTML can be used as an advanced text format, and people may want to convert existing plain text to HTML. For example's sake, consider the following: A Short Document This is a short plain-text document which someone

Re: [whatwg] Fwd: Entity parsing

2009-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Øistein E. Andersen wrote: When a named character reference is followed by a semicolon, it clearly has to be expanded, but how to handle non-semicolon-terminated character references is less obvious. Let IE4 (resp. HTML4, HTML5) be a non-semicolon-terminated named

Re: [whatwg] Parsing RFC3339 constructs

2009-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Julian Reschke wrote: Michael(tm) Smith wrote: Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch, 2009-04-25 05:35 +: On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, Asbjørn Ulsberg wrote: Reading the spec, I have to wonder: Does HTML5 need to specify as much as it does inline? Can't more of it be referenced to

Re: [whatwg] When closing the browser

2009-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: One option would be to have an attribute, say body logout=, which causes the user agent to ping the site when the window is closed and there are no other windows open to the same

Re: [whatwg] Reconstructing formatting elements (8.2.5)

2009-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, Kartikaya Gupta wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:15:30 + (UTC), Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: The behavior HTML5 requires is thus intentional for compat with IE. We could avoid cloning quite as many by eating whitespace after a table-related tag (tr, td, etc)

Re: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional?

2009-06-04 Thread Michael Enright
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Michael Enright wrote: If you use HTML as a text file format you can still let the receiving parser infer all sorts of tags and allow yourself to write things like Andersen's first HTML version. If you want a title, put a title element in. Is the concern about

[whatwg] AppCache and javascript url question?

2009-06-04 Thread Michael Nordman
What appcache (if any) should the resulting iframes be associated with? I think per the spec, the answer is none. Is that the correct answer? html manifest='myManifestFile' body script language=JavaScript function frameContents1() { var doc = frame1.document; doc.open();

Re: [whatwg] registerProtocolHandler() in HTML 5 is not sufficient for real use

2009-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, bryan rasmussen wrote: Generally speaking, the feature was intended for sites that wished to hook into URLs provided by _other_ sites, e.g. webmail hooking into mailto:, or web-based phone systems hooking into tel:. Only schemes that are actual registered schemes are

Re: [whatwg] Link.onload; defer on style, depends

2009-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, Boris Zbarsky wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Ah, yes. good point. I can require that relatively simply (just have the tasks that are queued for 'load' events themselves delay the page's load event) That's exactly what Gecko does. should I? I'd prefer that, but I'd

Re: [whatwg] size attribute

2009-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, Ojan Vafai wrote: On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: For implementors, the spec already gives, to the pixel, the length required (in the rendering section). Speaking of which, the spec isn't quite accurate to what IE does here. The

Re: [whatwg] video and acceleration

2009-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Simon Fraser wrote: Taking the video full-screen is an approach that makes a lot of sense for mobile devices. It's unfortunate that the spec shies away from the full-screen issue. The spec doesn't really shy away from it; it's just that the spec isn't the right place

Re: [whatwg] code attributes

2009-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, ddailey wrote: 1. Having to type precodelt;tagname/code/pre seemed a little bit silly to me: is there a use case for *not* wanting pre when doing code? Could that not be handled as an attribute of the code if so? code is used a lot to refer to method names and the like,