Re: [whatwg] the cite element

2009-06-06 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Instead of: liqMan is the only animal that laughs and weeps./qbr / -- citeWilliam Hazlitt/cite/li Consider: liqMan is the only animal that laughs and weeps./qbr / (William Hazlitt)/li Reads equally good, if not better. Bibliographic references are a topic of its own, and it is not

Re: [whatwg] Question on (new) header and hgroup

2009-06-06 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:00:28 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: I don't think hgroup will be used often enough to justify calling it just h. Ok, but what about subheader? (subtitle, tagline?) The purpose of hgroup is to imply that hx is a subtitle. That's quite an indirection. An

Re: [whatwg] code attributes

2009-06-06 Thread Erik Vorhes
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Tab Atkins Jr.jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand, a simple code lang=xml/html could be used to introduce the pre and all the lt; s This is the one part of the suggestion that I could possibly see being introduced in the language, but the benefit

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-06 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Also sprach Daniel Berlin: For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Library by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-06 Thread Daniel Berlin
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Håkon Wium Liehowc...@opera.com wrote: Also sprach Daniel Berlin:   For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free   redistribution of the Library by all those who receive copies directly   or indirectly through you, then the only way you

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-06 Thread King InuYasha
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Daniel Berlin dan...@google.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Håkon Wium Liehowc...@opera.com wrote: Also sprach Daniel Berlin: For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Library by all those who

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-06 Thread Daniel Berlin
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, King InuYashangomp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Daniel Berlin dan...@google.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Håkon Wium Liehowc...@opera.com wrote: Also sprach Daniel Berlin:   For example, if a patent license would not

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-06 Thread King InuYasha
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Daniel Berlin dan...@google.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, King InuYashangomp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Daniel Berlin dan...@google.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Håkon Wium Liehowc...@opera.com wrote:

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-06 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Also sprach Daniel Berlin: I get parsing errors in my brain when reading this. While I understand that you do not impose any new restrictions (as per #10), I still don't understand how you can claim that #11 (the first two quotes above) has no relevance in your case. To me, it seems

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-06 Thread Daniel Berlin
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Håkon Wium Liehowc...@opera.com wrote: This if statement seems to be true, and I therefore still don't understand your reasoning. I've explained my position and reasoning, and we are going to have to agree to disagree, because it's clear neither of us are going

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-06 Thread Daniel Berlin
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Daniel Berlindan...@google.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Håkon Wium Liehowc...@opera.com wrote: This if statement seems to be true, and I therefore still don't understand your reasoning. I've explained my position and reasoning, and we are going

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-06 Thread Chris DiBona
At this point I feel like we're giving open source advice to teams outside of Google, which is beyond our mission. We're comfortable with our compliance mission and feel it is accurate and correct. Other companies and people need to make their own decisions about compliance. Chris On Sun, Jun 7,

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-06 Thread King InuYasha
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Chris DiBona cdib...@gmail.com wrote: At this point I feel like we're giving open source advice to teams outside of Google, which is beyond our mission. We're comfortable with our compliance mission and feel it is accurate and correct. Other companies and

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-06 Thread Chris DiBona
To me, it seems more like Google doesn't really want to take a position in the matter regarding codecs and is taking the weird way out by using ffmpeg. Given Google's dominance in search, which tends to bring people to at least look at Google's products, anything Google does is examined with a

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-06 Thread King InuYasha
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Chris DiBona cdib...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] I think we've taken a very clear position on compliance but... [snip] This is really a matter for the spec to handle one way or another, not Google. Chris Compliance does not mean taking a position. It just