[whatwg] Make quoted attributes a conformance criteria

2009-07-23 Thread Keryx Web
Hello! I'd say it is safe to say that using quotation marks for attribute values, always, except perhaps for collapsed, boolean attributes, has been regarded as best practice for a long time now. Speaking as an instructor for newbies, enforcing quotation marks has proven its value countless

Re: [whatwg] Make quoted attributes a conformance criteria

2009-07-23 Thread Kornel
On 23 Jul 2009, at 13:35, Keryx Web wrote: I'd say it is safe to say that using quotation marks for attribute values, always, except perhaps for collapsed, boolean attributes, has been regarded as best practice for a long time now. Speaking as an instructor for newbies, enforcing quotation

Re: [whatwg] Make quoted attributes a conformance criteria

2009-07-23 Thread Jens Meiert
I'd say it is safe to say that using quotation marks for attribute values, always, except perhaps for collapsed, boolean attributes, has been regarded as best practice for a long time now. This always rather seemed like a preference to me, one that gets supported by consistency considerations

[whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-23 Thread Manu Sporny
By halting the XHTML2 work and announcing more resources for the HTML5 project, the World Wide Web Consortium has sent a clear signal on the future markup language for the Web: it will be HTML5. Unfortunately, the decision comes at a time when many working with Web standards have taken issue with

Re: [whatwg] .tags on HTMLCollections

2009-07-23 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:58:30 +0200, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I don't know of a reason it's needed for collections other than document.all. But it also doesn't seem harmful and I can't say definitively whether it helps anything. I wouldn't object to removing it from the

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-23 Thread L. David Baron
On Thursday 2009-07-23 09:48 -0400, Manu Sporny wrote: http://html5.digitalbazaar.com/a-new-way-forward/ I have a few thoughts on this document. The above document says: # The single greatest complaint heard from the standards community # concerning the development of HTML5 is that it has

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-23 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Manu Spornymspo...@digitalbazaar.com wrote: By halting the XHTML2 work and announcing more resources for the HTML5 project, the World Wide Web Consortium has sent a clear signal on the future markup language for the Web: it will be HTML5. Unfortunately, the

Re: [whatwg] Make quoted attributes a conformance criteria

2009-07-23 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
However, the quotation marks being *sometimes* optional is quite dangerous, since an author needs to exactly remember when they are needed and when they aren't; and using always quotation marks does avoid this problem. If author does not remember he can always use quotes and avoid this

Re: [whatwg] Make quoted attributes a conformance criteria

2009-07-23 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Rimantas Liubertasriman...@gmail.com wrote: However, the quotation marks being *sometimes* optional is quite dangerous, since an author needs to exactly remember when they are needed and when they aren't; and using always quotation marks does avoid this

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-23 Thread John Drinkwater
Manu Sporny wrote: By halting the XHTML2 work and announcing more resources for the HTML5 project, the World Wide Web Consortium has sent a clear signal on the future markup language for the Web: it will be HTML5. Unfortunately, the decision comes at a time when many working with Web standards

[whatwg] Content model vs. Contexts in which this element may be used

2009-07-23 Thread Darxus
These sections have very different wordings given the fact that they directly correspond to each other. Maybe change Contexts in which this element may be used to Content models in which this element may be used. -- Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you

[whatwg] 4.10.4.3 - stepUp and stepDown

2009-07-23 Thread Kartikaya Gupta
The algorithm for stepUp() and stepDown() doesn't seem to take into account the n parameter to those methods. The delta value used is the allowed step value; shouldn't delta actually be the allowed step value multiplied by n? Or am I missing something here? Cheers, kats

Re: [whatwg] Make quoted attributes a conformance criteria

2009-07-23 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Keryx Webwebmas...@keryx.se wrote: Hello! I'd say it is safe to say that using quotation marks for attribute values, always, except perhaps for collapsed, boolean attributes, has been regarded as best practice for a long time now. Speaking as an instructor for

Re: [whatwg] Make quoted attributes a conformance criteria

2009-07-23 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Aryeh Gregorsimetrical+...@gmail.com wrote: Add: In order to avoid errors and increase readability, using quotes is highly recommended for all non-omitted attribute values. I don't think there's any value in having the spec take a stance like this.  It's a

Re: [whatwg] Make quoted attributes a conformance criteria

2009-07-23 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:32:28 +0100, Eduard Pascual herenva...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think there's any value in having the spec take a stance like this. It's a matter of taste, IMO. While I don't consider a hard requirement would be appropriate, there is an audience sector this discussion

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-23 Thread Manu Sporny
L. David Baron wrote: The above document says: # The single greatest complaint heard from the standards community # concerning the development of HTML5 is that it has not allowed # for the scientific process. I strongly disagree with this statement. A key part of a scientific

[whatwg] More input element feedback

2009-07-23 Thread Kartikaya Gupta
The description for what to do on setting valueAsNumber doesn't fully cover error conditions. It's not clear to me, for instance, what's supposed if you have an input type=date or type=number and try to set valueAsNumber to NaN. The description there (for date) just says ... passing it a Date

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-23 Thread Peter Kasting
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Manu Sporny mspo...@digitalbazaar.comwrote: contribute ideas: great! scrutinize them: wonderful! form consensus: fail (but that's what the W3C is for, right?) produce: fail (unless we don't want to scale the community) Ian is really the only one that is

Re: [whatwg] In AppCache web apps, images from unpredictable domains won't load

2009-07-23 Thread Aaron Whyte
That sounds perfect, thanks. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: snip I've made it so that you can specify * in the online whitelist section to basically open it up to anything. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-23 Thread Michael Enright
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Manu Spornymspo...@digitalbazaar.com wrote: I can git clone the Linux kernel, mess around with it and submit a patch to any number of kernel maintainers. If that patch is rejected, I can still share the changes with others in the community. Using the same

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-23 Thread Joshua Cranmer
Manu Sporny wrote: form consensus: fail (but that's what the W3C is for, right?) From what I've read, there's only one issue of major importance where consensus has failed to form, namely the Great Codecs Debate. And as representatives have decried the other's positions as complete non-starters

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-23 Thread Justin Lebar
That being said, inline spec comments sound interesting. I'm not quite sure what the UI would look like, but if anyone has any ideas, feel free to e-mail me directly and we can figure something out. (This would be exceedingly useful once we're in last call in a few months.) Ian, Other

Re: [whatwg] .tags on HTMLCollections

2009-07-23 Thread Boris Zbarsky
Anne van Kesteren wrote: From what I heard so far it is there because of document.all. If document.all does indeed need to return a separate object as HTML5 suggests we can probably remove it from HTMLCollection in due course. Given that the namedItem behavior of document.all is different

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-23 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, Justin Lebar wrote: That being said, inline spec comments sound interesting. I'm not quite sure what the UI would look like, but if anyone has any ideas, feel free to e-mail me directly and we can figure something out. (This would be exceedingly useful once we're

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-23 Thread Joseph Pecoraro
I think we need an approach that doesn't involve in-flow links... I'm just not sure what the right solution is. Maybe alt-double-clicking should show a menu with two options, submit comment here or change section status? Alt-Double Click doesn't sound very discoverable. Even if I knew

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, Justin Lebar wrote: That being said, inline spec comments sound interesting. I'm not quite sure what the UI would look like, but if anyone has any ideas, feel free to e-mail me directly and we can figure something out. (This would be exceedingly

Re: [whatwg] A New Way Forward for HTML5

2009-07-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: That sounds to me like a good reason to declare a freeze at last call, and release an immutable beta 1 on which comments can be made. Then close the comment period on beta 1, and (potentially) release a beta 2, etc.