Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Aaron Franco aa...@ngrinder.com wrote: I can see how it is counter productive in the creation of the specification, but the fact that such licensing is being considered for what is

Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread Remco
2010/3/28 Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com: Without a baseline codec, there is no guaranteed usefulness to the audio or video tags. As for audio, I suggest supporting at least WAV (or FLAC) and Vorbis at least. For video, our best shot is either Dirac or Theora. Unless somebody else

Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread David Gerard
2010/3/28 Remco remc...@gmail.com: This is what I don't understand either. It's not like H.264 won't be successful if another baseline format is specified in the recommendation. So, all this PR about submarine patents to scare people away from unencumbered formats is not necessary.

Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread ogg.k.og...@googlemail.com
This is what I don't understand either. It's not like H.264 won't be successful if another baseline format is specified in the It will offer a workable possibility for smaller video producers to NOT licence H.264, and use Theora instead. This would be very counterproductive for those with

[whatwg] width and height

2010-03-28 Thread Perry Smith
I'm trying to piece some things together. I end up with this idea: ele.style.height returns the used value if display is not set to none. By used value I assume the CSSOM spec means the actual value used. e.g. if the span takes up 100 pixels, it would return a value equivalent to 100px.

[whatwg] Why is the legend element not categorized as flow content?

2010-03-28 Thread divya manian
Hi everyone I am trying to understand when an element can have flow content defined in the spec [1]. The general rule states: should have either at least one descendant text node that is not inter-element whitespace, or at least one descendant element node that is embedded content It also

Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread Kelly Clowers
2010/3/28 Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com: When the img tag was made, all browsers initially supported BMPs, didn't they? Nobody complained about implementing support for an image format. The GIF format made things hairy later, but with JPEG and PNG, the issues eventually resolved

Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 10:29 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: 2010/3/28 Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com: When the img tag was made, all browsers initially supported BMPs, didn't they? Nobody complained about implementing support for an image format. The GIF format made things hairy

Re: [whatwg] width and height

2010-03-28 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 3/28/10 12:21 PM, Perry Smith wrote: ele.style.height returns the used value if display is not set to none. By used value I assume the CSSOM spec means the actual value used. It means used value as defined in the CSS specification. See CSS 2.1 section 6.1.3. I see a few old messages on

Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukwrote: On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 10:29 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: 2010/3/28 Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com: When the img tag was made, all browsers initially supported BMPs, didn't they? Nobody

Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:49, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 10:29 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: 2010/3/28 Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com: When the img tag was made, all browsers initially supported BMPs, didn't they? Nobody complained

Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 March 2010 21:11, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: For Theora. They haven't really said much about Vorbis AFAIK. And I think an audio codec is less likely to have patent issues than a video codec (especially since Vorbis has a lot of high profile use that should have drawn

Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 13:11 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:49, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 10:29 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: 2010/3/28 Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com: When the img tag was made, all

[whatwg] More questions about the DnD API

2010-03-28 Thread Stef Epardaud
Hello, I didn't get any reaction to my previous email unfortunately since I think I brought up some valid points, but in any case I have some more feedback, so I keep sending :) I'm still trying to use the DnD for a real-world use, and keep hitting problems. This is the HTML 5 draft at 7.9.4

Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 March 2010 21:11, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: For Theora. They haven't really said much about Vorbis AFAIK. And I think an audio codec is less likely to have patent issues than a video codec

Re: [whatwg] window.print() when printing is not supported

2010-03-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010, Aaron Franco wrote: I'm wondering if the H264 is supported in the HTML5 spec or is included as a part of the spec? No video codecs are required currently; as with images, it is left up to the user agent to decide which codecs to implement. -- Ian Hickson

Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010, Aaron Franco wrote: Due to the proprietary nature of the H.264 codec and the expensive licensing fees that go along with it, I propose that the MPEGLA and the Licensors of the codec disclose the patents royalty free if the codec is included as a part of the HTML5

Re: [whatwg] width and height

2010-03-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010, Perry Smith wrote: I'm trying to piece some things together. I end up with this idea: ele.style.height returns the used value if display is not set to none. ele.style.height should return the current specified value in the style= attribute, which may or may not have

Re: [whatwg] Why is the legend element not categorized as flow content?

2010-03-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010, divya manian wrote: I was curious to know what elements are not categorized so and found legend element[2] did not figure in the list. It is listed under phrasing content like i, strong, label and em (but all these are flow elements as well). In what sense is it listed