think that would be excessive. It might be a good idea, though.
Do you think it should be further restricted?
Not necessary, I guess.
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6, 7 (Mac)
Mozilla 1.7, Firefox 1.5, Firefox 2 (Mac)
Opera 3, 4, 5 (Windows)
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That seems pretty strongly a vote against it for me. Thanks for the
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get the other one using getFeature(), or, they both get redefined to check
the root element and dispatch to the other one if appropriate.
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one has all sorts of implications that are quite complex.
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from DOMStringList or something...
I don't really see the relationship... Why would we want to use
DOMStringList for this?
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additional content - i.e. the script will not use
document.write (and friends).
HTML5 defines this more exactly than HTML4.
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Dean Edwards wrote:
Seems to have been forgotten:
http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2005-April/003709.html
It wasn't forgotten. The spec defines it now.
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from an interoperability perspective, it really matters. If there's a case
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should have no bearing on the semantics of the document.
* it keeps pointing to the same element until another interaction with
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doesn't define when and how each event is actually fired. The firing of
the events in HTML is very closely tied to the rest of the HTML processing
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I haven't changed the spec, since the spec describes what Jonas says.
Please let me know if you disagree with this, especially if you find pages
that break because of it.
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* tabindex - tabIndex
Fixed.
* contenteditable - contentEditable
Fixed.
* The irrelevant DOM attribute currently doesn't link because
there's no dfn around its definition.
Fixed.
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in such cases than both
HTMLDocument and SVGDocument returning that seems better than separate
results.
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it and aren't going to _remove_ support for it, we have
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be
generalized, something like: [...]
Since we now have very specific parsing rules, this probably no longer
really applies. Please let me know if you disagree with what the spec
says today about handling invalid HTML (and option elements in
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to be chosen at
least for a parser that is intended to be used as a part of a
conformance checker. Otherwise input type=RADİO ... would pass.
Good point. Ok, ASCII-only it is.
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Henri Sivonen wrote:
On Apr 27, 2005, at 13:09, Ian Hickson wrote:
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, Henri Sivonen wrote:
What do you suggest the parser layer of an text/html conformance
checker say about input checkbox ...?
1. Silently treat as input type=checkbox
, no XHTML UA
implements this buggy behaviour.
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to ensure that all IDs are
unique, then the ID values within the user-supplied code would have to
be checked for duplicates among them, too.
This is already the case, yes.
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special about these
characters in the rendering section, but I don't think they should be
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imagine, however, that someone else
might see the case restriction as excessive.
If you get feedback along these lines from your users, please let me know.
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:20:18 +0200, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Preventing such attacks by a HTML cleaner would require either
making a full list of all forbidden IDs, class names etc, or
imposing Draconian rules upon user
should be defined to mean the
same as HTML5 conformance checking. :-)
I have added a paragraph to this effect.
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are not guaranteed to process the external DTD
subset referenced in the DOCTYPE. This means, for example, that using
entities for characters is unsafe (except for lt;, gt;, amp;, quot;
and apos;). For interoperability, authors are advised to avoid optional
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think it should be made officially obsolete. It should be inserted
into the DOM as an empty element, but UAs should ignore it. UAs may
choose to support it at their own risk, but must not do so by breaking
the DOM like IE does.
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:42:31 +0200, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IDs in user-supplied content are only useful as fragment identifiers for
URLs, and mangling them like that defeats this use case because you
don't know N before you
the handling of comment
tokens as parse errors and the comments are inserted on the foster
parent. Is that intentional? It looks like an oversight.
This seems fixed now.
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That's what the spec requires today.
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if it does cause short-term
minor pain.
I think I'm going to emit a warning even if apos; is conforming.
That seems reasonable.
I am uncomfortable with LT;, GT;, AMP;, QUOT; and COPY; on
aesthetic grounds, but at least they work interoperably.
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leading zeros? (Leading zeros are harmless in
Firefox, Opera and Safari, at least.)
I haven't defined percentages yet, as we may not need them. But I imagine
I would define them as being just a kind of integer followed by a %
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: !DOCTYPE
html.
So, if I read this correctly, HTML documents that aren't served over the
wire need not have a doctype?
Fixed.
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That statement was not precise enough. It applies to attribute names, not
to attributes as such.
I don't understand, could you elaborate?
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/#attributes0 technically
is not needed, although it does no harm either.
Ok. Since it does no harm and might help some readers, I'll leave it.
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Fixed.
Thanks,
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, J. King wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:53:31 -0400, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, J. King wrote:
There are two paragraphs at the end of section 8.2.1.1:
# When an end tag token is emitted, the content model
# flag must be switched
ahead. Shouldn't it simply emit the two character
tokens and switch to the data state?
Fixed.
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Michel Fortin wrote:
Le 18 juil. 2006 à 21:43, Ian Hickson a écrit :
It might be desirable also that a valid HTML4 document gets a
conforming HTML4 DOM. If it is, then ps shouldn't contain table.
I agree.
Is this goal compatible with blockquote, pre, ol, ul
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Simon Pieters wrote:
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, Simon Pieters wrote:
As for an algorithm for how to do that, I think that an extra flag would
be sufficient. If the parser hits !-- while in RCDATA or CDATA, the
flag is set to true
://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#innerhtml0
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Browser vendors have told me that they don't want to do this due to the
performance impact of such a feature. Otherwise, we already have this
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the use of the term tag name in a few other places where it was
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that I think you'd have to have special code to convert between the
two anyway. So I'm not sure this would gain you much.
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be if it were treated as an external parsed entity.
I've made the spec explicitly require that innerHTML return an XML
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as this is locked down one way or the other.
I don't really know how to define this. I'd like to say that it's up to
the encoding specifications to define it. Any suggestions?
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On Sun, 5 Nov 2006, Elliotte Harold wrote:
Otherwise if the next seven chacacters are a case-insensitive match for the
word DOCTYPE, then consume those characters and switch to the DOCTYPE state.
chacacters -- characters
Fixed.
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this. On the one hand, it's
pragmatic (after all, why require the semicolon?), and is equivalent to
not requiring quotes around attribute values. On the other, people don't
want us to make the quotes optional either.
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote:
On Nov 6, 2006, at 07:34, Ian Hickson wrote:
On Sun, 5 Nov 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote:
Is there a reason why the definition of space characters does not
match the XML 1.0 and RELAX NG definition of white space (space,
tab, CR, LF) but also
:
I agree. The current slight inconsistency should probably be amended by
making section 8.1.4 more liberal rather than the other way round.
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div title=p
And the following two no longer close tags either (only worked in
Firefox):
div titlep
/divp
All of these were allowed in SGML, as I understand it.
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Kristof Zelechovski wrote:
I understand that this is fixed by HTML 5 [...]
Please don't bring up issues we've already fixed. :-)
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
The section on handling entities should contain the following mapping:
[...]
... mostly for legacy reasons.
Let me know if the table in that section is what you wanted.
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Sam Ruby wrote:
+1, though I would suggest a one change:
159: 376 // Yuml;
The spec does indeed say this.
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it makes more sense that to say that you just
have to switch to the data state there.
This got fixed last week I believe.
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Simon Pieters wrote:
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Hm. Actually an optgroup start tag has to imply an /optgroup end tag
for compatibility with browsers... spec fixed.
Then nested optgroups as allowed in WF2 is just another thing that only
works in XHTML5? How
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote:
* Ian Hickson wrote:
No conformance criteria are broken if the user agent is assumed to have
converted the document to a serialisable form by adding an appropriate
tbody element and then serialised that.
If the user agent has not, e.g. it shows
useful to flag
trees with tr as child of table as something that would break if
serialized as HTML5 and sent as text/html.
It might break some scripts. Other than that, I don't think it's a big
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On Sun, 10 Dec 2006, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
The Anything else case should probably trigger a parse error before
reprocessing the current token.
Why? Could you show a sample of markup that would go through this path and
should trigger an error that isn't flagged?
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:57:07 +0100, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The section If the child node is a Text or CDATASection node
should include the plaintext element.
plaintext in general isn't supported by the innerHTML spec
On Sun, 10 Dec 2006, Thomas Broyer wrote:
However, text/xml-script would result in a parse-error in HTML5 (if I
understand section 9.2 correctly).
I've removed the parse error.
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This is quite different from b, strong, etc. and it probably has to
be this way too because of site compat.
I've tried to make nobr more compatible with IE (basically it implies a
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I described in my previous e-mail.
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On Tue, 12 Dec 2006, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
I don't see why comments have to be processed as if they were in body.
They should just be appended to the current node.
Isn't that what happens if they're processed as if they were in body?
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Thomas Broyer wrote:
2006/12/22, Ian Hickson:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Thomas Broyer wrote:
Why is the DOCTYPE marked in error in the former case?
Because otherwise this document:
!DOCTYPEH
...would emit a DOCTYPE that is not in error (since the token would
to the list.
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and that caused the string's
contents to be treated as code, you'd ideally just want the compiler to
say missing quote mark, not start listing all the contents of the string
and say how each part in turn isn't valid script. Sadly, this is often
quite difficult to achieve!
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Martijn wrote:
Also, there is an action attribute, so I think it would be wise to
include that one too.
Done.
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. But layout tables in
general will be discouraged (and are non-conforming).
- Iframes
Why are they bad?
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it a violation of the specs, and indeed that has now
been done (quirks mode and DOCTYPE sniffing is part of the spec).
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I'm not sure that it really would be easier.
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successful HTML standard on the
Web. We don't need a technical means to chose between them, the market
will do that for us.
In any case, we just have the one standard right now (since the W3C and
WHATWG are working on the same document).
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working on their version of HTML 5. When I asked Ian Hickson how WHATWG
would handle divergence in the W3C spec [1], he said he intended to
make every effort to keep the two in sync. [2] While I appreciate his
effort and I fully believe that he will do his best, we are dealing with
a body (i.e
(some after
the Append a U+003E GREATER-THAN SIGN () character. paragraph):
If the child node is an Element with a tag name pre then append a U+000A
LINE FEED (LF) character.
This will always add the linefeed even when it's not needed, but I guess
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with document.createElement are HTMLElements and have
their names lowercased at creation time; as described in the spec)
Same questions with attribute names ;-)
I think the spec has been clarified regarding this, let me know if it is
not clear still.
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and dd, and would make constructions like:
x dt xx /dt xx dd xx li xx /li xx /dd xx /x
...have very different results than it appears.
So, unless there's a strong reason to, I suggest we don't change this.
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UTC. To convert to UTC I need to add 4 hours.
Fixed.
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is just about the syntax.
They're not really related, though it happens to be the case that all
elements that have an empty content model are void elements in HTML.
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, so
perhaps this is a bug in the spec?
I could only get /foo to close the dd in Firefox.
In IE, the foo is treated as a void element.
Opera and Safari seem to follow the spec.
Without further evidence that this breaks things, I'd rather just leave
the spec as is.
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LETTER F
It seems this is fixed now.
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Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL
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Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
as element names go, i don't really see a reason to allow more,
or less, characters than the XML spec lets you use.
The main reason is that you have to define what happens to the characters
you don't allow. We don't have the option of fatal failure.
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, it
can't have multiple languages.
In conclusion, while I agree with the principle of keeping XHTML and HTML
as close to each other as possible, I don't think they're further apart
than is actually necessary.
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Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL
http
the fact that it is more
sensible as the DOM and the original input stream are closer to each
other.
Done.
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Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL
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Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
such strange appending rules for the limited
set of elements that have that now (link, meta, style, base).
This would screw up the placement of comments between head and body.
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