Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on video accessibility

2009-07-16 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:56 PM, David Singersin...@apple.com wrote: At 23:28  +1000 16/07/09, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:   2) I think the environment can and should help select and configure type-1  resources, where it can.  It shouldn't need to be always a manual step by  the user

[whatwg] Progress on video accessibility

2009-07-30 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi, Several proposals have been made on this list in the past on how to approach accessibility for the HTML5 video element. I think the best way in which we can progress this is by doing an implementation of a spec, discussing it, improving the spec, rinse and repeat, which IIUC is the process

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-08-08 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Chris McCormickch...@mccormick.cx wrote: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:24:42AM -0700, Charles Pritchard wrote: There are two use cases that I think are important: a codec implementation (let's use Vorbis), and an accessibility implementation, working with a canvas

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-08-09 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Chris McCormickch...@mccormick.cx wrote: Hi Sylvia, On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 11:16:01AM +1000, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Chris McCormickch...@mccormick.cx wrote: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:24:42AM -0700, Charles Pritchard wrote

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-09 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:22 AM, David Singersin...@apple.com wrote: At 1:12  +0200 10/08/09, Remco wrote: Shouldn't videos and audios (and maybe objects too?) also have an alt attribute? A quick Google search tells me this has not been discussed before. Your search was too quick...we are

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-13 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
I agree with this assessment. Please note that at this stage this is my personal opinion, since I haven't discussed it with other Mozilla developers yet. Regards, Silvia. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Philip Jägenstedtphil...@opera.com wrote: Hi, We would like to request that

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-13 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:31 AM, David Singersin...@apple.com wrote: At 10:31  +0200 13/08/09, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: Hi, We would like to request that addCueRange/removeCueRanges be dropped from the spec before going into Last Call. We are not satisfied with it and want to see it

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-13 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi Markus, 2009/8/13 Dr. Markus Walther walt...@svox.com: please note that with cue ranges removed, the last HTML 5 method to perform audio subinterval selection is gone. Not quite. You can always use the video.currentTime property in a javascript to directly jump to a time offset in a video.

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-14 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
2009/8/14 Dr. Markus Walther walt...@svox.com: Hi, The .start/.end properties were dropped in favor of media fragments, which the Media Fragments Working Group is producing a spec for. Who decided this? Has this decision been made public on this list? It will be something like

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-14 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Dr. Markus Waltherwalt...@svox.com wrote: Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: 2009/8/14 Dr. Markus Walther walt...@svox.com: Hi, The .start/.end properties were dropped in favor of media fragments, which the Media Fragments Working Group is producing a spec for. Who

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-14 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Remco wrote: Shouldn't videos and audios (and maybe objects too?) also have an alt attribute? A quick Google search tells me this has not been discussed before. For users who can use audio but not video,

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-14 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Henri Sivonenhsivo...@iki.fi wrote: On Aug 14, 2009, at 16:06, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: There is only one thing I can think about that an alt attribute could provide that nothing else does: as a blind user tabs onto a video element, the alt attribute's content

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-22 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Robert O'Callahanrob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Max Romantschuk m...@romantschuk.fi wrote: Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Precision is influenced more strongly by the temporal resolution of the decoding pipeline rather than the polling

[whatwg] brief question on 2.4.5 Dates and times

2009-08-25 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi, I am trying to use the specification of Dates and times given in section 2.4.5. I was surprised to find that there is a specification of a valid month string, but not of a valid year string or a valid day string. Is that an oversight? Regards, Silvia.

Re: [whatwg] brief question on 2.4.5 Dates and times

2009-08-26 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Silvia Pfeiffersilviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am trying to use the specification of Dates and times given in section 2.4.5. I was surprised to find that there is a

Re: [whatwg] brief question on 2.4.5 Dates and times

2009-09-01 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: I am trying to use the specification of Dates and times given in section 2.4.5. How? That section is just introducing concepts for the rest of the spec. I was looking

Re: [whatwg] Charset sniffing from XML prolog

2009-10-08 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 10/7/09 9:29 PM, Kartikaya Gupta wrote: Using document.inputEncoding: http://stakface.com/pub/mango/fakexml.html http://stakface.com/pub/mango/fakexml_iso.html Using a degree symbol in UTF-8:

Re: [whatwg] Restarting the media element resource fetch algorithm after load event

2009-10-08 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Eric Carlson eric.carl...@apple.com wrote:   I am not worried about the aesthetics of not having the event.  I am somewhat concerned about existing content that uses it (including many

Re: [whatwg] What is the purpose of timeupdate?

2009-11-07 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Justin Dolske dol...@mozilla.com wrote: On 11/7/09 3:21 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: When timeupdate was added, the stated goal was actually as a battery saving feature for for example mobile devices. The idea was that the implementation could scale back how often

[whatwg] unexpected use of the CORS specification

2009-11-07 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi, a friend of mine just wrote an interesting blog post about unshortening twitter URLs, see http://benno.id.au/blog/2009/11/08/urlunshortener . In it he proposes that url shorteners should be treated specially in browsers such that when you mouse over a shortened url, the browse knows to

Re: [whatwg] unexpected use of the CORS specification

2009-11-08 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
is free to request whatever URLs it wants.  The results need not be accessible to content.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Adam On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, a friend of mine just wrote an interesting blog post about unshortening twitter

Re: [whatwg] unexpected use of the CORS specification

2009-11-10 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Nov 8, 2009, at 7:25 AM, Adam Barth wrote: I don't see the connection with CORS.  The browser is free to request whatever URLs it wants.  The results need not be accessible to content.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding.

Re: [whatwg] videooverlay for captions/subtitles/etc

2009-11-28 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Philip, It's great to see further specifications come up around captions. I do think we need these to make progress and come to a specification that we can all agree on. I just wanted to add a comment on your wiki page for clarification: My itext wasn't supposed to stay a JavaScript

Re: [whatwg] videooverlay for captions/subtitles/etc

2009-11-29 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Philip, all, On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:21:45 +0100, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: My itext wasn't supposed to stay a JavaScript implementation. In fact, it had the exact same purpose as your ovelay

Re: [whatwg] Quality Values for Media Source Elements

2009-12-13 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
There are many things that we would want to add to the source element to allow for a better choice between the different source files that are linked, but the biggest problem is that it is currently only used to go through from top to bottom until the first file is found that can be played back -

Re: [whatwg] Quality Values for Media Source Elements

2009-12-13 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
. Regards, Silvia. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Eric Carlson eric.carl...@apple.com wrote: On Dec 13, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Oh! What are you doing with it? I mean - have the values in the media attribute any effect on the video element?  Certainly! WebKit evaluates

Re: [whatwg] Quality Values for Media Source Elements

2009-12-14 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Media Query spec doesn't cover enough metadata to make this as useful as it could be. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed it seems to me the solution to the quality problem should then be done through the media attribute. I am not sure yet how

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2010-02-01 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote: On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 08:29:28PM +1000, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Chris McCormickch...@mccormick.cx wrote: Hi Sylvia, On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 11:16:01AM +1000, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote

[whatwg] Video source selection based on quality (was: video feedback)

2010-02-09 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: [..] On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Hugh Guiney wrote: So, in my first foray into preparing Theora/Vorbis content, for use with video, I realized that I wasn't sure with what settings to encode my materials. Should I: A.) Supply my

Re: [whatwg] video feedback

2010-02-10 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Brian Campbell lam...@continuation.org wrote: On Feb 9, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sat, 7 Nov 2009, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: I use timeupdate to register a callback that will update captions/subtitles. That's only a temporary situation, though

Re: [whatwg] Video tag in IE

2010-02-22 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: On Feb 22, 2010, at 03:26, Gregory Maxwell wrote: I thought the list might appreciate this news regarding plugin-added video/ support in Internet Explorer: http://cristianadam.blogspot.com/2010/02/ie-tag-take-two.html

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen for HTML5 Video element

2010-03-08 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Nils Dagsson Moskopp nils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: Dawid Czyzewski magnet...@gmail.com schrieb am Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:05:00 +0100: Full screen custom UI is very needed feature and it's need to be solved somehow. Specially in times here HD

Re: [whatwg] Video Tag Proposal

2010-03-28 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 March 2010 21:11, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: For Theora. They haven't really said much about Vorbis AFAIK. And I think an audio codec is less likely to have patent issues than a video codec

[whatwg] Introduction of media accessibility features

2010-04-09 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi all, At the W3C there have been many discussions about how to introduce accessibility for the media elements. Over the last months, two proposals to improve the specification have been developed within the media subgroup of the Accessibility Task Force. It is time to put them in front of a

Re: [whatwg] Introduction of media accessibility features

2010-04-11 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi Rob, On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: It would be helpful if the role values were defined. Both proposals contain a list of roles - were you asking for a registering mechanism or something? I'm confused. If the text is rendered on top of the

Re: [whatwg] Introduction of media accessibility features

2010-04-11 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi Chris, On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Chris Double chris.dou...@double.co.nz wrote: On 10/04/10 10:41, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: This proposal introduces declarative markup to associate external timed text resources (such as captions and subtitles) with a media resource. It introducestrack

Re: [whatwg] Introduction of media accessibility features

2010-04-11 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: f Is it expected that all of TTML will be required? The proposal suggests 'starting with the simplest profile', being the transformation

Re: [whatwg] Introduction of media accessibility features

2010-04-12 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 11, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Understood. But what is actually the cost of implementing all of TTML? The features in TTML all map onto existing Web technology, so all it takes is a bit more parsing

Re: [whatwg] Introduction of media accessibility features

2010-04-12 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:47:33 +0800, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer

Re: [whatwg] Introduction of media accessibility features

2010-04-14 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Understood. But what is actually the cost of implementing all of TTML? The features in TTML all map onto existing Web technology

Re: [whatwg] Introduction of media accessibility features

2010-04-14 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: It would be helpful if the role values were

Re: [whatwg] Introduction of media accessibility features

2010-04-14 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer

Re: [whatwg] Introduction of media accessibility features

2010-04-14 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: If TTML creates specs that cannot be mapped, then those

Re: [whatwg] Introduction of media accessibility features

2010-04-16 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:59:06 +0900, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to Henry's suggestion of just using two formats: SRT

Re: [whatwg] Introduction of media accessibility features

2010-04-16 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:49:38 +0900, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: I guess the problem is more with char sets. For HTML

Re: [whatwg] Document on Timed Interactive Resources -

2010-04-17 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Have you looked at MXF? Cheers, Silvia. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 10:49 AM, narendra sisodiya narendra.sisod...@gmail.com wrote: I have been working for e-learning application over web. but never reached any final conclusion on this. Here is a document on it.

Re: [whatwg] Subtitles, captions, and other tracks augmenting video or audio

2010-04-20 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Ian Hickson wrote: I'm starting to look at the feedback sent over the past few years for augmenting audio and video with additional timed tracks such as subtitles, captions, audio descriptions, karaoke,

Re: [whatwg] Subtitles, captions, and other tracks augmenting video or audio

2010-04-20 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
HI Ian, On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: I spent some time today filling that page and when I came back to it just now it seems you have moved most of the use cases elsewhere, namely to http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki

Re: [whatwg] Dealing with Stereoscopic displays

2010-04-26 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Eoin Kilfeather ekilfeat...@dmc.dit.ie wrote: Hello, I was wondering if any though had been given to a consistant way of dealing with stereoscopic displays. A use case has come up in a project I am working on which calls for the use of stereoscopic UIs but I

Re: [whatwg] [ogg-dev] HTML5 audio tag

2010-05-11 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Yeah, the track attribute of the media fragments specification that Ralph links will in theory allow to just download the track-related data. But it still requires implementation - either in the browser, which will somehow need to identify which bytes belong to which track and just request those

Re: [whatwg] [ogg-dev] HTML5 audio tag

2010-05-11 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
P. On 12/05/2010 11:18 a.m., Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Yeah, the track attribute of the media fragments specification that Ralph links will in theory allow to just download the track-related data. But it still requires implementation - either in the browser, which will somehow need to identify

Re: [whatwg] Timestamp from video source in order to sync (e.g. expose OGG timestamp to javascript)

2010-05-17 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Odin Omdal Hørthe odin.om...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I filed bugs at mozilla and in chromium because I want to sync real time data stream to live video. Some of them told me to send it here as well. :-) It's only possible to get relative playtime with html5

Re: [whatwg] Timestamp from video source in order to sync (e.g. expose OGG timestamp to javascript)

2010-05-18 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Odin Omdal Hørthe odin.om...@gmail.com wrote: Justin Dolske's idea looks rather nice: This seems like a somewhat unfortunate thing for the spec, I bet everyone's going to get

Re: [whatwg] INCLUDE and links with @rel=embed

2010-05-18 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:38 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:20 AM, bjartur svartma...@gmail.com wrote: First of all I think we should use a rel=embed href=uri-ref instead of source. I'm not aware of previous proposals of that on this list.

Re: [whatwg] Fwd: INCLUDE and links with @rel=embed

2010-05-19 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: Forwarding a message 'cause I forgot to CC WHATWG so it got stuck in moderation. -- Forwarded message -- From: bjartur svartma...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:20:30 + Subject: Re:

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-19 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
2010/5/20 Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:38 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 00:34, Nils Dagsson Moskopp nils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: James Salsman jsals...@talknicer.com schrieb am Wed, 19 May 2010

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-20 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Adam Harvey a...@adamharvey.name wrote: On 20 May 2010 17:55, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/20 Peter Beverloo pe...@lvp-media.com: Microsoft has announced playback support for VP8 in Internet Explorer 9[1] under the condition that one has to

Re: [whatwg] Built-in image sprite support in HTML5

2010-05-21 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:12 AM, David Weitzman dweitz...@gmail.com wrote: There are various approaches to using image sprites with HTML and CSS, but at the end of the day they are all essentially hacks. A solution

Re: [whatwg] On the subtitle format for HTML5

2010-05-23 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
2010/5/23 Carlos Andrés Solís csol...@gmail.com: Hello, I've been writing lately in the WHATWG and WebM mail-lists and would like to hear your opinion on the following idea. Imagine a hypothetical website that delivers videos with subtitles that can be chosen by the user. And also imagine

Re: [whatwg] On implementing videos with multiple tracks in HTML5

2010-05-23 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi Carlos, 2010/5/23 Carlos Andrés Solís csol...@gmail.com: Hello, I've been writing lately in the WHATWG and WebM mail-lists and would like to hear your opinion on the following idea. Imagine a hypothetical website that delivers videos in multiple languages. Like on a DVD, where you can

Re: [whatwg] On the subtitle format for HTML5

2010-05-23 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
2010/5/24 Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com: 2010/5/22 Carlos Andrés Solís csol...@gmail.com: Hello, I've been writing lately in the WHATWG and WebM mail-lists and would like to hear your opinion on the following idea. Imagine a hypothetical website that delivers videos with subtitles that

Re: [whatwg] Timestamp from video source in order to sync (e.g. expose OGG timestamp to javascript)

2010-05-23 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest, it doesn't make much sense to display the wrong time in a player. If a video stream starts at 10:30am and goes for 30

Re: [whatwg] Timestamp from video source in order to sync (e.g. expose OGG timestamp to javascript)

2010-05-23 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 24 May 2010 03:03:15 +0200, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.comwrote: To be honest, it doesn't make much sense to display

Re: [whatwg] Timestamp from video source in order to sync (e.g. expose OGG timestamp to javascript)

2010-05-24 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: So from this I gather that either: 1. initialTime is always 0 or 2. duration is not the duration of resource, but the time at the

Re: [whatwg] On the subtitle format for HTML5

2010-05-24 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
2010/5/25 Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com: 2010/5/23 Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com: I just came across this thread http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1397067 and found it a most interesting read! Particularly the comment of jiifurusu . It seems the subtitling community

[whatwg] A standard for adaptive HTTP streaming for media resources

2010-05-24 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi all, I would like to raise an issue that has come up multiple times before, but hasn't ever really been addressed properly. We've in the past talked about how there is a need to adapt the bitrate version of a audio or video resource that is being delivered to a user agent based on the

Re: [whatwg] A standard for adaptive HTTP streaming for media resources

2010-05-25 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Chris Holland fren...@gmail.com wrote: * authoring of content in a specific way * description of the alternative files on the server and their features for the UA to download and use for switching * a means to easily switch mid-way between these alternative

[whatwg] audio and video: volume and muted as content attributes?

2010-05-31 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi, I just came across a curious situation in the spec: IIUC, it seems the @volume and @muted attributes are only IDL attributes and not content attributes. This means that an author who is creating an audio-visual Webpage has to use JavaScript to turn down (or up) the loudness of their media

Re: [whatwg] audio and video: volume and muted as content attributes?

2010-05-31 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:48 AM, bjartur svartma...@gmail.com wrote: I just came across a curious situation in the spec: IIUC, it seems the @volume and @muted attributes are only IDL attributes and not content attributes. This means that an author who is creating an audio-visual Webpage has to use

Re: [whatwg] audio and video: volume and muted as content attributes?

2010-05-31 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: I just came across a curious situation in the spec: IIUC, it seems the @volume and @muted attributes are only IDL attributes

Re: [whatwg] audio and video: volume and muted as content attributes?

2010-06-01 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 31 May 2010 19:33:45 +0800, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I just came across a curious situation in the spec: IIUC, it seems the @volume and @muted attributes are only IDL attributes

Re: [whatwg] audio and video: volume and muted as content attributes?

2010-06-01 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/31/10, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:48 AM, bjartur svartma...@gmail.com wrote: I just came across a curious situation in the spec: IIUC, it seems the @volume

Re: [whatwg] What is not possible with HTML5

2010-06-07 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
I think what you call multi-format video is being implemented as HTTP adaptive streaming, where you have multiple different bandwidth-versions of the same media resource on the server and they have synchronisation points (usually the keyframes of the video) at which the user agent can switch over

Re: [whatwg] audio and video: volume and muted as content attributes?

2010-06-09 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
kevinma...@gmail.com wrote: Setting volume above 1.0 can be very useful if the original is too quiet. For example, Quicktime allows a volume of 300% to amplify quiet tracks On May 31, 2010 11:30 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:17:03 +0800, Silvia Pfeiffer

Re: [whatwg] audio and video: volume and muted as content attributes?

2010-06-09 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukwrote: On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 11:52 +1000, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: I don't think that is possible in the way that the volume attribute is currently defined as a value between [0;1]. That is an orthogonal, but still

Re: [whatwg] audio and video: volume and muted as content attributes?

2010-06-09 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukwrote: On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 12:03 +1000, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 11:52 +1000, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: I

Re: [whatwg] Fw: video

2010-06-20 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Nils Dagsson Moskopp nils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: There is also the issue of the context menu not being an especially intuitive or discoverable way of activating it, especially if all the rest of the controls are buttons below the

Re: [whatwg] HTML 5 : The Youtube response

2010-06-30 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:35 PM, schalk sch...@ossreleasefeed.com wrote: Hi there, Has anyone/everyone read the blog entry on Youtube’s blog (http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/06/flash-and-html5-tag.html) regarding their feeling about HTML5 video and why they still feel that Flash for video is

[whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-06-30 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi all, The W3C WG for media fragments has published a Last Call Working Draft at http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/ . The idea of the spec is to enable addressing sub-parts of audio-visual resources through URIs, such as http://example.com/video.ogv?t=10,40 to address seconds 10-40 out of

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-06-30 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:11:44 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The W3C WG for media fragments has published a Last Call Working Draft at http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/ . The idea

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-01 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi Jonas, On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Hi Silvia, Back in may last year I brought [1] up the fact that there are two use cases for temporal media fragments: 1. Skipping to a particular point in a longer resource, such as wanting to start a video at

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-01 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
BTW: I will try and make a screencast of that firefox plugin, which should clarify things further. Stay tuned... Cheers, Silvia. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jonas, On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Hi

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-02 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
of the video, given that most commonly when wanting to point out a particular point in a video you actually just want to represent a point. / Jonas On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: BTW: I will try and make a screencast of that firefox plugin, which

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-02 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
. The whole media fragment URI spec is based on retrieving byte ranges. I'd encourage you to read it and see if it matches your expectations. Cheers, Silvia. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, a point in time is nothing - it's an empty set

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-04 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, timeless timel...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 5:26 AM, silviapfeiffer1 silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't actually matter what element the URI appears in - your element has to deal with the data that it receives and if file.ogv#t=1:00,1:15

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-04 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: All of the image formats that you are pointing out have an image mime type. I am merely pointing out that to support ogg theora browsers

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-04 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:23 AM, timeless timel...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Note that I do understand the need and am trying to explain how it can be made to work. Also I am trying to show that what might look

Re: [whatwg] media resources: addressing media fragments through URIs spec

2010-07-06 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Marques Johansson marq...@displague.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The W3C WG for media fragments has published a Last Call Working Draft at http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/ . The idea

Re: [whatwg] HTMLMediaElement.preload and stalled event

2010-07-22 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
To me, stalled implies that the UA is trying to receive stuff, but is being stalled. So, my understanding is that the resource fetch algorithm in [1] should include the word unexpectedly - that would fix it. Then, if no data has been received for more than 3 seconds, the stalled event would be

Re: [whatwg] video resource selection algorithm and NETWORK_NO_SOURCE

2010-07-23 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
/networkState.html Please fix implementation or spec :) -- Philip Jägenstedt Core Developer Opera Software --- Forwarded message --- From: Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com To: Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com Cc: Subject: Re: bug in Opera video Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010

Re: [whatwg] [URL] Starting work on a URL spec

2010-07-23 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Is that URLs as values of attributes in HTML or is that URLs as pasted into the address bar? I believe their processing differs... Good luck with it, anyway. I'm sure you've seen http://esw.w3.org/UriTesting . Cheers, Silvia. On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote:

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks for video

2010-07-24 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Paul Ellis p...@ellisfoundation.comwrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: On Jul 23, 2010, at 08:40, Ian Hickson wrote: - Keep implementation costs for standalone players low. I think this should be a non-goal. It

Re: [whatwg] video resource selection algorithm and NETWORK_NO_SOURCE

2010-07-25 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Jul 23, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: Silvia made we aware of discrepancy in how browsers implement the resource selection algorithm, see forwarded message. It's my assessment that Opera is the only

Re: [whatwg] Timed tracks for video

2010-07-26 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: * the type attribute is meant to both identify the mime type of the format and the character set used in the file. It's not clear that the former is useful. The latter may be useful; I haven't supported that yet. If the element is to support a single format in a single

Re: [whatwg] video resource selection algorithm and NETWORK_NO_SOURCE

2010-07-26 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.comwrote: I actually don't think there's anything wrong about the spec as it is. NETWORK_NO_SOURCE is not a state of failure, it is a waiting state. Here's what happens as the parser inserts elements into the DOM: video

Re: [whatwg] video resource selection algorithm and NETWORK_NO_SOURCE

2010-07-26 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.comwrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:53:50 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: I actually don't think there's anything wrong

Re: [whatwg] video resource selection algorithm and NETWORK_NO_SOURCE

2010-07-26 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.comwrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:02:34 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 02:58:07 +0200, Silvia

Re: [whatwg] video resource selection algorithm and NETWORK_NO_SOURCE

2010-07-27 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.comwrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 00:01:26 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:53:43 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer

Re: [whatwg] Built-in image sprite support in HTML5

2010-08-03 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
that abstracts away the name of the sprite image. With img tags you would have to specify the URL and height/width individually on every sprited image. I think the right solution is a fragment identifier. On Sat, 22 May 2010, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Tab Atkins Jr

[whatwg] Discussing WebSRT and alternatives/improvements

2010-08-05 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi Ian, all, I'd like to pick up again on the discussion about what file format should be supported as baseline in HTML5 for providing time-synchronized text for media resources. This is particularly important now that we have the WebSRT proposal

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