Tuesday 08 of July 2008 14:45:23 Maciej Stachowiak napisał(a):
The way I think of standalone(*) Web applications is that they should
work well in the browser context, but be able to provide progressive
enhancement when in standalone mode. For example, native applications
have custom
Tuesday 08 of July 2008 05:10:46 Mark Finkle napisał(a):
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Brady Eidson wrote:
* Sites want to offer a way for users to opt into a standalone mode
(can we offer a link to download one of these
Dnia 10-04-2008, Cz o godzinie 09:51 +, Ian Hickson pisze:
On Sat, 4 Nov 2006, Paul Topping wrote:
Elements whose namespaces aren't known should be handled like any other
unknown HTML element. I believe the common way for user agents to handle
an unknown element is basically to
Dnia 08-04-2008, Wt o godzinie 12:39 +0200, Thomas Broyer pisze:
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Greg Houston wrote:
Between Anne, Thomas and I, we have clearly shown that the individual
shapes within a canvas element can indeed be effected by CSS at the
time of their rendering and
Dnia 28-03-2008, Pt o godzinie 13:29 -0500, Tab Atkins Jr. pisze:
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Krzysztof Żelechowski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dnia 28-03-2008, Pt o godzinie 09:12 -0500, Tab Atkins Jr.
pisze:
And the original problem can
Dnia 02-04-2008, Śr o godzinie 10:55 -0500, Robert J Crisler pisze:
Why should the W3C choose not create a better situation than the
current one (which is a mess for developers and a mess for users),
while continuing to work on the ideal?
With all due respect:
the mission of the WWW
Dnia 26-03-2008, Śr o godzinie 12:42 -0500, Tab Atkins Jr. pisze:
I'm coming around to the opinion that dl, ul, and ol (and the
new list elements in html5) should allow a larger set of elements as
their direct children. I've been playing around with hn within ul
or ol (with the
Another example of missing interleave in HTML is
not to be able to interleave list items with table rows
in order to provide numbering.
These are independent sets of elements and they cannot play together.
Sad.
Chris
Dnia 25-03-2008, Wt o godzinie 20:44 +0100, Keryx Web pisze:
Some of you
Dnia 23-03-2008, N o godzinie 19:29 +, Ian Hickson pisze:
Executive summary:
* header/id is in.
* summary= is not in.
* axis= is not in.
* the automatic header association algorithm has been expanded.
* a number of minor fixes and editorial edits were made.
For details, see
Dnia 13-03-2008, Cz o godzinie 02:04 +0100, Øistein E. Andersen pisze:
PPS: Some right-to-left characters contaminate surrounding characters as I
have not yet found a simple solution to make everything strictly
left-to-right (probably because I have not looked for it properly).
Some
Dnia 11-03-2008, Wt o godzinie 19:31 +, Tom Gilder pisze:
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Krzysztof Żelechowski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see no point in returning true when there are no links to remove. IE
and Opera currently only return true when the selection contains a
link
Dnia 10-03-2008, Pn o godzinie 03:09 +, Tom Gilder pisze:
3) HTML 5 suggests queryCommandEnabled('Unlink') returns true with any
selection:
Enabled When: The document has a selection that is entirely within
an editing host.
--
Dnia 07-03-2008, Pt o godzinie 04:16 -0800, Oliver Hunt pisze:
Hi all, while working on a bug in our canvas implementation I've
noticed that there's a difference in behaviour between Opera and
Firefox when handling path construction over save/restore
boundaries. Section 3.12.11.1.1
Dnia 05-03-2008, Śr o godzinie 23:36 -0800, Aaron Boodman pisze:
Hi all,
We're adding an API to Google Gears that will allow an application to
obtain (with permission) the user's current location.
Here's our current design:
http://code.google.com/p/google-gears/wiki/LocationAPI
We
Dnia 06-03-2008, Cz o godzinie 08:30 -0800, Aaron Boodman pisze:
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Krzysztof Żelechowski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The intersection of this interface with HTML is empty
and it will always be because it does not hook on anything to declare.
It qualifies
Dnia 05-03-2008, Śr o godzinie 09:39 -0600, Greg Houston pisze:
On a side note, I was just glancing over the newly released, Internet
Explorer8 Readiness Toolkit, and it says: Internet Explorer 8 offers
Web developers the opportunity to write standards-compliant HTML-based
Web pages that
Dnia 04-03-2008, Wt o godzinie 14:53 -0800, Adele Peterson pisze:
I started implementing the hasFocus attribute in WebKit, but then I
realized that IE and Firefox 3 both implement it as a function.
Should the spec change to match the existing implementations?
This property is so volatile
Dnia 03-03-2008, Pn o godzinie 20:18 +, David Gerard pisze:
On 03/03/2008, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Krzysztof Żelechowski wrote:
When I want to define a paragraph-style tool-tip, I am left with the
following choice: either make the source code
Dnia 28-02-2008, Cz o godzinie 19:51 +, Philip Taylor pisze:
Are there cases where div ...a href=... style=display:block;
width:100%; height:100% ... /a/div is not adequate for making
block links?
It does not make the anchor a block element,
it is still a text element, although with
Dnia 02-03-2008, N o godzinie 23:02 +, Ian Hickson pisze:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Simon Pieters wrote:
Aha. I didn't think of testing attributes.
Safari preserves CRs in attribute values, both real and NCRs. CRLF
pairs, LFCR pairs, CRs and LFs cause a single linebreak in the
Dnia 01-03-2008, So o godzinie 19:37 -0800, Nicholas C. Zakas pisze:
Reading your description makes me think that you're more displeased
with the hn/ elements than you are happy with the section/
element. I've never had issues promoting headers or moving content
around, and I'm not clear
Dnia 01-03-2008, So o godzinie 19:36 -0800, Nicholas C. Zakas pisze:
I understand your reasoning for the aside/ element, perhaps this is
another element that is suffering from the wrong name. Most of web
developers have no idea what an aside is let alone when to use one. I
know that acronym/
Dnia 01-03-2008, So o godzinie 17:12 -0800, Maciej Stachowiak pisze:
On Mar 1, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
For example on a a href=..., does the user hovering the node
count?
If you display an absolute URI to the user at this time it should get
resolved against the current
Dnia 29-02-2008, Pt o godzinie 01:21 +, Ian Hickson pisze:
In 8.2.2.4, I have no idea what's the reason or purpose of point 1,
which reads If the new encoding is UTF-16, change it to UTF-8.. I
suspect some misunderstanding.
This is required because many pages are labelled as
Dnia 27-02-2008, Śr o godzinie 08:06 -0500, Michel Fortin pisze:
Now, suppose you have this:
pA header looks like this in your browser:/p
h1Some text!/h1
... unfortunately, the h1 here isn't a real header in the document:
it's an illustration of a header (ah-ha: figure!)
Dnia 28-02-2008, Cz o godzinie 23:18 +1100, Shannon pisze:
Markus Ernst wrote:
Anyway, why do you suggest a new attribute rather than making the
existing href attribute global?
Because I think some current and depreciated tags still use href for a
different purpose (base for one). A
Dnia 27-02-2008, Śr o godzinie 23:25 +1100, Shannon pisze:
---LINK with block-level or interactive content---
This proposal would circumvent A's main limitation which is its
requirement to not wrap block-level elements or 'interactive' content.
The HTML5 draft requires it wrap 'phrasing
Dnia 20-02-2008, Śr o godzinie 06:36 +, Ian Hickson pisze:
I've added a note to myself to make it clear that cite= should be made
available, e.g. on hover.
E.g. in the context menu as Go to original
(should be Go to source but that would be too ambiguous ☹).
I really detest
the
Dnia 31-01-2008, Cz o godzinie 02:02 +, Ian Hickson pisze:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007, Philip Taylor wrote:
Similarly, what should toDataURL do when the canvas is really large and
the browser doesn't want to give you a data URI? (Opera returns
'undefined' if it's = 30001 pixels in any
Dnia 25-01-2008, Pt o godzinie 23:06 -0500, Jean-Nicolas Boulay
Desjardins pisze:
In the present standard you are alowd to use the same accesskey in to
different links... For example:
a href=bob.html accesskey=bBob web page/a
a href=bob.html accesskey=bBob web page/a
But what would
Dnia 25-01-2008, Pt o godzinie 15:05 -0800, Oliver Hunt pisze:
Ah true I had forgotten that, however this still fails for non-
integral ratios :-/
Non-integral ratios can be approximated by a series of rational ones.
Chris
Dnia 23-01-2008, Śr o godzinie 22:50 -0800, Garrett Smith pisze:
nextSibling and previousSibling are useful, but not always what I want.
nextSibling is all right
if you replace UL LI /UL with UL LI /UL .
It may look funny at first and WYSIWYG editors know nothing about that
but otherwise
Dnia 24-01-2008, Cz o godzinie 08:50 -0500, Vlad Alexander (xhtml.com)
pisze:
Embedding SVG by reference (thought the img element) is well suited to HTML.
SVG was designed for this as stated in Embedding by reference section here:
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/concepts.html#UsageOptions
This
Dnia 23-01-2008, Śr o godzinie 14:44 -0500, Sam Ruby pisze:
On Jan 23, 2008 2:13 PM, Krzysztof Żelechowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SVG is too heavyweight
for the purpose of such tiny presentational enhancements.
I can provide counterexamples:
http://intertwingly.net/blog/
http
Dnia 24-01-2008, Cz o godzinie 07:34 +1100, Charles McCathieNevile
pisze:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:44:59 +1100, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Jan 23, 2008 2:13 PM, Krzysztof Żelechowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
SVG is too heavyweight
for the purpose of such tiny
Dnia 23-01-2008, Śr o godzinie 17:28 +, James Graham pisze:
The problem that Jonas originally pointed out is that, given browsers do
incremental rendering number of items is not a known quantity when the list
is
first rendered. For a pathological example of why this is a problem,
Dnia 23-01-2008, Śr o godzinie 13:42 +, David Gerard pisze:
Forgive me if this is a simple and obvious question. I note that all
current browsers (except IE, of course) implement SVG rendering (to a
better or worse degree). I'd like to be able to drop SVG images into
an HTML page as
Dnia 23-01-2008, Śr o godzinie 15:15 +0100, Dave Singer pisze:
At 15:03 +0100 23/01/08, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Simon Pieters wrote:
ol start=100 reverse
The lack of start='' would make the numbers update as the list is
filled with lis. This allows both for simplicitly for short lists
Dnia 23-01-2008, Śr o godzinie 20:42 +, David Gerard pisze:
FWIW, my use case is to be able to create images in SVG and just use
them as ... images, just like I do PNGs or JPEGs. It was also somewhat
inspired by setting up rsvg for MediaWiki on our work intranet and
wanting to hit it
Dnia 23-01-2008, Śr o godzinie 15:34 -0600, Siemova pisze:
If you mean that a script should be able to use that
automatically-generated value, I'm sure that's true, but there are
cases wherein the content creator doesn't have access to the script in
order to build that in. For example, the
Dnia 18-01-2008, Pt o godzinie 13:19 +, Philip Taylor pisze:
Oops, I was wrong to mention that - 'different than' seems to be
common in some Englishes, and I don't want to complain when it's just
dialect variations.
To me,
different from is closer to dissimilar
and corresponds to the
Dnia 16-01-2008, Śr o godzinie 02:48 +, Ian Hickson pisze:
On Sun, 20 May 2007, ddailey wrote:
Another question arises in my mind in this context: is there any reason
that any of the treatments of these effects (like the Porter-Duff
operators, darken, saturate etc.) should be any
Dnia 24-12-2007, Pn o godzinie 16:36 -0500, L. David Baron pisze:
On Monday 2007-12-24 19:07 +0100, Krzysztof Żelechowski wrote:
My rewording for competition:
Authors may use elements in the HTML namespace
in the contexts where they are explicitly allowed and nowhere else.
My
Dnia 23-12-2007, N o godzinie 13:08 +, David Gerard pisze:
On 23/12/2007, Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How could we do that? The codec is usually a relatively small download
download compared to the video itself. If we could suggest a way for
codecs to be provided
Dnia 21-12-2007, Pt o godzinie 17:28 +, Philip Taylor pisze:
Documents and document fragments / Structure says Authors must only
use elements in the HTML namespace in the contexts where they are
allowed, as defined for each element.
That phrase is unclear. It could be interpreted as:
[83.1] N/A because W3C is not an IDN.
Dnia 16-12-2007, N o godzinie 00:49 +0100, Terje Bless pisze:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geoffrey Sneddon) wrote:
ISO 8879:1989 states that SGML public text owner identifier registration
(i.e., those that start
Dnia 15-12-2007, So o godzinie 19:28 -0800, James M Snell pisze:
form template=http://example.org{-prefix|/|foo}?bar={bar}
method=POST
Foo: input name=foo type=input
Bar: input name=bar type=input
/form
Why is this prefix operator needed here?
What is wrong with the URL
Dnia 15-12-2007, So o godzinie 11:41 +0100, Maik Merten pisze:
Krzysztof Żelechowski schrieb:
Dnia 14-12-2007, Pt o godzinie 19:47 +0100, Maik Merten pisze:
Krzysztof Żelechowski schrieb:
Remember the - in DOCTYPE HTML?
Feel free to be more specific.
That prefix means that HTML
Dnia 15-12-2007, So o godzinie 21:14 +1100, Shannon pisze:
They are not easy ways forward, I agree.
How would _you_ recommend addressing Apple's requirements while still
addressing the requirements of the rest of the community?
I would recommend that Apple and Nokia follow the
Dnia 14-12-2007, Pt o godzinie 22:06 -0800, Joseph Daniel Zukiger pisze:
Has someone made the precise suggestion I made?
Specifically:
(1) Require (MUST) a container/codec not known to be
encumbered for the video tag.
(2) Require an open plugin API for the browser, so
that 3rd-party
Dnia 15-12-2007, So o godzinie 14:24 +1100, Shannon pisze:
Ian, thank you for your answers re: video codecs. I agree with you now
that everything that needs to said has been said regarding the change
itself and I think most parties have made it clear how they feel and
what they hope will
Dnia 14-12-2007, Pt o godzinie 16:20 +0900, Karl Dubost pisze:
Not to say that it creates localization troubles. For exactly the same
meaning:
TV in English = télé in French
acronym abbr
And what is supposed to do an automatic translator when translating
Dnia 13-12-2007, Cz o godzinie 22:04 +0100, Maik Merten pisze:
I think it all depends on definition and interpretation. If MPEG is an
organization issuing real standards and Xiph is not... can e.g. WHATWG
be considered to be issuing a real standard? Can individual companies
issue standards?
Dnia 14-12-2007, Pt o godzinie 06:58 -0800, Joseph Daniel Zukiger pisze:
Just wait 'til the behemoth in Redmond has a loosely
held independent subsidiary of something not visibly
connected start making noises about how open source
software might be encumbered.
You can distribute source
Dnia 14-12-2007, Pt o godzinie 23:03 +1100, Shannon pisze:
Again, a false presumption. This was discussed in the context of the
HTML WG at the W3C. Those doors are not closed.
Really? Does that mean I can claim a seat on the board? Where is this
discussion about a public standard made
Dnia 11-12-2007, Wt o godzinie 11:22 -0800, Aaron Boodman pisze:
With an asynchronous API, it gets quite a bit messier. Here's an
example of what it might look like:
var messages = incoming_data;
db.transaction(function(tx) {
processNextMessage(tx);
});
function
Dnia 12-12-2007, Śr o godzinie 08:59 +, Ian Hickson pisze:
Most people don't mark up abbreviations or acronyms at all, they only mark
them up at all to give the expansions generally. And for this purpose, it
doesn't really matter which is which (not to mention that different
people
Dnia 12-12-2007, Śr o godzinie 14:44 +0100, Thomas Broyer pisze:
Only kbd inside kbd would be boxed then, so the + sign is not a problem:
In this case you have to say KBD twice in simple cases, which is
unacceptable because it is unexpected and it is going to be
overlooked/ignored by the
Dnia 12-12-2007, Śr o godzinie 00:21 -0500, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
pisze:
Look, guys. I don't think I've explained myself well, partly because I've
come on too strong. There is no evidence of malice. There's also no
evidence of profiteering. There *is* evidence of immorality, if you
Dnia 12-12-2007, Śr o godzinie 00:11 -0500, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
pisze:
I'd rephrase it as
# Has had traction, time and exposure in the market, enough so patent threats
should have arisen already.
That is, as a study of a troll's lifestyle shows, indefinite.
Dnia 11-12-2007, Wt o godzinie 19:26 -0500, Jeff McAdams pisze:
If the text is changed to move away from a free and open solution to
something that is going to be encumbered, you better believe I'm going
to be up in arms about it, and I will not apologize for it. This change
is exactly that
Dnia 11-12-2007, Wt o godzinie 18:53 -0500, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
pisze:
Wanna know what happened to the last troll that attacked free software? Ask
Darl McBride. Everyone is under the possibility of constant attack from
trolls.
He was not a patent troll, he was acting for Microsoft and
Dnia 11-12-2007, Wt o godzinie 18:21 -0500, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
pisze:
That's no reason to NOT SUGGEST Ogg Vorbis / Theora. No one here is saying
that HTML5 should forbid proprietary codecs -- all we're claiming for is the
judicious and well-deserved mention of two free technologies in
Dnia 11-12-2007, Wt o godzinie 16:37 -0500, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
pisze:
Well, instead of hoping, maybe we can draw more attention to this issue so
public pressure helps us do the job.
This mailing list is not the best place to draw more attention though.
It seems you are wasting your time
Dnia 11-12-2007, Wt o godzinie 23:20 +0100, alex pisze:
First, I would like to thank you for the feedback, and I must admit it
is a rather sensitive situation, more so then I imagined at first. But
because of the nature of submarine patents, I don't quite see how you
can actually find a
Dnia 11-12-2007, Wt o godzinie 13:21 -0500, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
pisze:
alternatives -- thank god for Linux). I don't want to experience it all over
again, especially since I know that even today, that crapware isn't even
gonna be made for Linux, and I'm going to be screwed again.
Dnia 13-12-2007, Cz o godzinie 00:43 +, Sam Kuper pisze:
Dear Chris,
From the Oxford English Dictionary online (accessed today):
initialism: The use of initials; a significative group of initial
letters. Now spec. a group of initial letters used as an abbreviation
for a name or
Dnia 10-12-2007, Pn o godzinie 21:22 -0600, Dimitri Glazkov pisze:
Guys, I think the point was that it's not unreasonable to have
synchronous API. The argument about slow/busy devices is valid, but I
still think the developer should have the choice of either going with
a simple query/receive
Dnia 10-12-2007, Pn o godzinie 16:04 -0800, Dan Mosedale pisze:
On Dec 10, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Geoffrey Garen wrote:
I'd hate for GMail to mysteriously stop working every couple of
days just because of some background process that I had no
knowledge of. As a developer, how would you
Dnia 07-11-2007, śro o godzinie 15:27 +, Ian Hickson napisał(a):
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Geoffrey Sneddon wrote:
And as far as I can tell, standards other than HTTP have taken this tack
too. For example, the document you can access from JavaScript has a
referrer property, without the
Dnia 02-11-2007, pią o godzinie 22:05 +, Ian Hickson napisał(a):
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
Aside from all of the other issues, my vote would be to remove the ping
attribute from the specification. It is not a desirable feature.
[snip]
It is not sufficient for
Dnia 31-10-2007, śro o godzinie 17:56 +0200, Mikko Rantalainen
napisał(a):
The section
5.6.2. APIs for the text field selections
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#textFieldSelection
defines attributes selectionStart and selectionEnd and method
setSelectionRange().
Dnia 22-10-2007, pon o godzinie 17:09 -0700, Michaeljohn Clement
napisał(a):
Křištof Želechovski wrote:
Also, if we agreed to that, this would be a workaround for a supposed
deficiency of SQL. But the SQL committee does not recognize it as a
deficiency; otherwise it would have been fixed
Dnia sobota, 11 sierpnia 2007 22:14, Maciej Stachowiak napisał:
On Aug 11, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Křištof Želechovski wrote:
Originally the name after the hash was a bookmark, not a fragment,
because
it would be defined on an anchor. I agree that until the new
semantic makes
it to the
Dnia niedziela, 12 sierpnia 2007 14:20, Keryx Web napisał:
Today, in a private mail Simon Pieters said that HTML 5 will probably
get the ruby-elements as well.
I had intended to write about this to this list and now simply will ask
if this is the case?
Personally I have a special use-case.
Dnia piątek, 20 lipca 2007 04:49, Maciej Stachowiak napisał:
I don't think AppleScript is very useful to understanding API design
in languages with more conventional syntax. For example,
document.write(foobar) is not very well expressed as 'tell document
to write foobar', it would be more
Dnia piątek, 6 lipca 2007 13:32, Alexander napisał:
Greetings,
i wonder why there's still no a special 'key' attribute for every form
field implemented.
Let's say I have rendered table from query result and one column could be
updateable via text field. And let's say record id field is
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