Re: [whatwg] +/- in SGML DOCTYPE
[83.1] N/A because W3C is not an IDN. Dnia 16-12-2007, N o godzinie 00:49 +0100, Terje Bless pisze: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geoffrey Sneddon) wrote: ISO 8879:1989 states that SGML public text owner identifier registration (i.e., those that start with a + instead of the unregistered -) is defined in ISO 9070, which I don't have a copy of. I can, however, quote the summary from ISO 8879:1989: These [registered owner identifiers] include standards body identifiers for national or industry standards organisations (similar to the ISO owner identifier), and unique codes that may have been assigned to organisations by other standards. Annex K (“Web SGML Adaptations”) to ISO 8879 TC2: [[[ K.4.6 Internet domain names in public identifiers [80] owner identifier = ISO owner identifier | registered owner identifier | unregistered owner identifier | internet domain name owner identifier [83.1] internet domain name owner identifier = +//IDN , minimum data where the minimum data must begin with an Internet domain name.
Re: [whatwg] +/- in SGML DOCTYPE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [83.1] N/A because W3C is not an IDN. No, but “w3.org” is; and the point was to illustrate that whether the Owner Identifier used is registered or unregistered has nothing to do with whether the source is an officially recognized standards organization or not. Anyone who controls an Internet Domain Name get to issue Formal Public Identifiers with a “+” in them. Granted the IDN option was added to SGML only as of the WebSGML Adaptations Annex, but that's simply because the web made ISO's typical practice of acting as a registry for namespace hierarchy (cf. SNMP OIDs etc.) un-scaleable for the use the web put FPIs to. - -- “See... *That* is the problem... Scotch is for sipping, relaxing, and deep thoughts... Jack is what you drink when you need to work through the pain.” -- John C. Welch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.9 wj8DBQFHZj8io/I+siR19ewRAkB2AKD7HyT0+YHqX9478CVTA1piSHSdAACfeMKZ uJIx4Y2jElJMkGjprOC0+XY�pc -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[whatwg] +/- in SGML DOCTYPE (was: Re: The truth about Nokias claims)
On 15 Dec 2007, at 12:52, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: Krzysztof Żelechowski wrote: Dnia 14-12-2007, Pt o godzinie 19:47 +0100, Maik Merten pisze: Krzysztof Żelechowski schrieb: Remember the - in DOCTYPE HTML? Feel free to be more specific. That prefix means that HTML DOCTYPE is not issued by an officially recognised standards body. If W3C were such an organisation, we would have a + there instead. I haven't bought the SGML specification to double-check, so feel free to quote from it if it says otherwise. But from everything else I've read it simply means W3C has not registered a Public Text Owner Identifier with ISO. See also: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms535242.aspx http://www.is-thought.co.uk/book/sgml-6.htm#FPI http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/sgml-primer-doctype-declaration.html http://xml.coverpages.org/gca-pubidrls.html http://xml.coverpages.org/fpiResolverFlynn.html Any old organization can register as Public Text Owners, not just officially recognized standards body. The - has nothing to do to do with W3C being (or not being) recognized as a standards body. ISO 8879:1989 states that SGML public text owner identifier registration (i.e., those that start with a + instead of the unregistered -) is defined in ISO 9070, which I don't have a copy of. I can, however, quote the summary from ISO 8879:1989: These [registered owner identifiers] include standards body identifiers for national or industry standards organisations (similar to the ISO owner identifier), and unique codes that may have been assigned to organisations by other standards. -- Geoffrey Sneddon http://gsnedders.com/
Re: [whatwg] +/- in SGML DOCTYPE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geoffrey Sneddon) wrote: ISO 8879:1989 states that SGML public text owner identifier registration (i.e., those that start with a + instead of the unregistered -) is defined in ISO 9070, which I don't have a copy of. I can, however, quote the summary from ISO 8879:1989: These [registered owner identifiers] include standards body identifiers for national or industry standards organisations (similar to the ISO owner identifier), and unique codes that may have been assigned to organisations by other standards. Annex K (“Web SGML Adaptations”) to ISO 8879 TC2: [[[ K.4.6 Internet domain names in public identifiers [80] owner identifier = ISO owner identifier | registered owner identifier | unregistered owner identifier | internet domain name owner identifier [83.1] internet domain name owner identifier = +//IDN , minimum data where the minimum data must begin with an Internet domain name. Note 35: A string like IDN domain.name or IDN domain.name/sub-domain/sub-domain is treated as an ISO/IEC 9070 registered owner prefix. Any sub-domains of a domain could also be identified using owner name components. For example, the Internet domain named someisp.net and its sub-domains in the URL http://www.someisp.net/users/mtb; could occur in an FPI as: +//IDN someisp.net::www::users::mtb or as: +//IDN www.someisp.net/users/mtb Note 36: When constructing a public text owner identifier using an Internet domain name, users may wish to consider the name's potential lifespan and the lifespans of the objects to be identified. Semicolon, exclamation point, asterisk, number sign, commercial at sign, dollar sign, underscore, and percent sign are members of the abstract character class special, which is usable in minimum data. ]]] - -- I'm [less] than thrilled by the [VM situation]; all sides of it. I [think] we need a [fork] in that area so that you guys would stop stepping on each others' toes. I'm taking no part in your merry 5-way clusterfuck -- sort that mess out between yourselves.-- Alexander Viro on lkml -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.9 wj8DBQFHZGfto/I+siR19ewRAg8hAJ9fxemTaYT63IylvCY/a9E0V0lKNQCbBjoJ gBp6BQ08364MODu+2H1igJk�j/ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
