Re: [whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-10-19 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: Are there any situations that this doesn't handle where it would be legitimate to omit a title element? Perhaps the simplest case is an HTML document that is only meant to be displayed inside an inline frame and containing, say, just a

Re: [whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-10-19 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-10-19 19:33, Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: Are there any situations that this doesn't handle where it would be legitimate to omit a title element? Perhaps the simplest case is an HTML document that is only meant to be displayed inside an inline frame

Re: [whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-10-19 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: 2012-10-19 19:33, Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: Are there any situations that this doesn't handle where it would be legitimate to omit a title element? Perhaps the simplest case is an HTML

Re: [whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-10-19 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi schrieb am Fri, 19 Oct 2012 20:49:16 +0300: Anyone who bookmarks a document that was not meant to be bookmarked should accept the consequences. What makes the web – and collaboration between entities in general – tremendously useful is that information can

Re: [whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-10-18 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: 2012-06-29 23:42, Ian Hickson wrote: Currently you need a DOCTYPE, a character encoding declaration, a title, and some content. I'd love to be in a position where the empty string would be a valid document, personally. Is content really

Re: [whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-10-18 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-10-19 2:09, Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 13 Jul 2012, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: [...] It might be better to declare title optional but strongly recommend its use on web or intranet pages (it might be rather irrelevant in other uses of HTML). That's basically what the spec says -- if

Re: [whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-07-13 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-06-29 23:42, Ian Hickson wrote: I consider all boilerplate to be a significant burden. I think there's a huge win to making it trivial to create a Web page. Anything we require makes it less trivial. It's a win, but I'm not sure of the huge. When learning HTML, it's an important aspect,

Re: [whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-03-30 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Faruk Ates faruka...@me.com wrote: We like to think that “every web developer is surely building things in UTF-8 nowadays” but this is far from true. I still frequently break websites and webapps simply by entering my name (Faruk Ateş). Firefox 12 whines to

Re: [whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-02-13 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012, Simon Pieters wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:44:22 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 7 Dec 2011, Henri Sivonen wrote: I believe I was implementing exactly what the spec said at the time I implemented that behavior of Validator.nu. I'm particularly

Re: [whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-02-13 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:22:13 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Hm, that's an interesting point. Can we make a list of features that rely on the character encoding and have the spec require an encoding if any of those are used? If the list is long or includes anything that it's

[whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-02-13 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Anne van Kesteren, Mon Feb 13 12:02:53 PST 2012: On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:46:57 +0100, Anne van Kesteren wrote: The list starts with a and the moment you do not use UTF-8 (or UTF-16, but you really shouldn't) you can run into problems. I wonder how controversial it is to just require UTF-8

Re: [whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-02-13 Thread Simon Pieters
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:22:13 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: I think this is like saying that requiring !DOCTYPE HTML is an undue burden on authors... It is. You may recall we tried really hard to make it shorter. At the end of the day, however, !DOCTYPE HTML is the best we could do.

Re: [whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-02-12 Thread Simon Pieters
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:44:22 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 7 Dec 2011, Henri Sivonen wrote: I believe I was implementing exactly what the spec said at the time I implemented that behavior of Validator.nu. I'm particularly convinced that I was following the spec, because I

[whatwg] Character-encoding-related threads

2012-02-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011, Boris Zbarsky wrote: You can detect other effects by seeing what unescape() does in the resulting document, iirc. Doesn't seem like it: http://junkyard.damowmow.com/499 http://junkyard.damowmow.com/500 In both cases, unescape() is assuming Win1252, even though in