Re: [whatwg] Codecs for video and audio

2009-07-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, Mike Shaver wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Peter Kastingpkast...@google.com wrote: It makes sense if you think about it -- whether YouTube sends videos encoded as H.264 is irrelevant to what the _baseline_ codec for video needs to be, it is only relevant as

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for video and audio

2009-07-14 Thread Mike Shaver
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: We've narrowed codecs down to two. The spec could say that UA which supports video MUST implement at least one of Theora or H.264. All vendors can comply with that, and that's better than not specifying any codecs at all (e.g.

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for video and audio

2009-07-14 Thread Peter Kasting
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Mike Shaver mike.sha...@gmail.com wrote: which led me to believe that YouTube's opinion was part of the relevant-vendor positions which led to the choice to not specify a codec. If it's not relevant, then its inclusion was certainly quite confusing I am

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for video and audio

2009-07-14 Thread Mike Shaver
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Peter Kastingpkast...@google.com wrote: It makes sense if you think about it -- whether YouTube sends videos encoded as H.264 is irrelevant to what the _baseline_ codec for video needs to be, it is only relevant as additional info for vendors deciding whether to

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for video and audio

2009-07-07 Thread Kornel
I'm arguing that it does matter what's in the spec, insofar that it should match what implementations do. Can we agree to disagree? We've narrowed codecs down to two. The spec could say that UA which supports video MUST implement at least one of Theora or H.264. All vendors can comply

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for video and audio

2009-07-07 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Kornelkor...@geekhood.net wrote: Similarly, authors publishing video MUST put at least one source in Theora or H.264 This isn't future-proof. It's also not reasonable if you happen to know that all of your clients' browsers support some third format (e.g. on an

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for video and audio

2009-07-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Kornel wrote: I'm arguing that it does matter what's in the spec, insofar that it should match what implementations do. Can we agree to disagree? I'm not trying to convince you; I'm just explaining why the spec doesn't require Theora support right now. We've