A number of e-mails were sent recently regarding the subject of historical
dates. This topic was last covered in March in this e-mail:
http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-March/01.html
In the interests of not rehashing old ground, I have omitted from my reply
below
Orthodoxy has it that there is no use case for marking up an ancient date
or fuzzy date like June 2009 using time. I disagree, and this has
been discussed many times before. Do you have any concrete use cases or
examples of how marking these up using time would be necessary?
Whether or not it
I note in http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#valid-date-string
that Dates before the year zero can't be represented as a datetime in
this version of HTML. This seems a serious omission. Why can we
represent the birth of Nero but not the birth of Julius Caesar? Are
there plans to
2009/7/30 Elliotte Rusty Harold elh...@ibiblio.org
I note in
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#valid-date-string
that Dates before the year zero can't be represented as a datetime in
this version of HTML. This seems a serious omission. Why can we
represent the birth of Nero
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:05:10 +0100, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net
wrote:
I sure hope there are! Historians and classicists are increasingly
publishing to the web, and being unable to mark up years BCE in HTML 5
would
hinder this. That said, marking up a year, say 1992 AD, (as opposed to
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Elliotte Rusty
Haroldelh...@ibiblio.org wrote:
I note in http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#valid-date-string
that Dates before the year zero can't be represented as a datetime in
this version of HTML. This seems a serious omission. Why can we
2009/7/30 Bruce Lawson bru...@opera.com
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:05:10 +0100, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net
wrote:
I sure hope there are! Historians and classicists are increasingly
publishing to the web, and being unable to mark up years BCE in HTML 5
would
hinder this. That said,
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Sam Kupersam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote:
2009/7/30 Bruce Lawson bru...@opera.com
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:05:10 +0100, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net
wrote:
I sure hope there are! Historians and classicists are increasingly
publishing to the web, and being
2009/7/30 Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Sam Kupersam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote:
Not for BCE; I'm not working on that period at the moment, but excepting
that, here are a couple of good examples with ranges:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Sam Kupersam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote:
2009/7/30 Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Sam Kupersam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote:
Not for BCE; I'm not working on that period at the moment, but excepting
that, here are a couple of
At 17:12 +0100 30/07/09, Sam Kuper wrote:
2009/7/30 Tab Atkins Jr. mailto:jackalm...@gmail.comjackalm...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Sam
Kupermailto:sam.ku...@uclmail.netsam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote:
Not for BCE; I'm not working on that period at the moment, but excepting
At 11:16 -0500 30/07/09, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
1) Machine readability.
This begs the question.
raises the question. begging questions is assuming the answer in the
premise of the question.
Why do you need machine readability for the
dates in the Darwin journals? More specifically,
2009/7/30 Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Sam Kupersam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote:
2009/7/30 Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Sam Kupersam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote:
Not for BCE; I'm not working on that period at the
2009/7/30 David Singer sin...@apple.com:
Quite. We've had this debate before and Ian decided that it might be
confusing to apply a dating system to days when that dating system was not
in effect on those days, I think.
If by confusing you mean sufficiently confusing that it needs to be
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:34 AM, David Singersin...@apple.com wrote:
At 11:16 -0500 30/07/09, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
1) Machine readability.
This begs the question.
raises the question. begging questions is assuming the answer in the
premise of the question.
I meant it in the sense
Can the historical-timeline community perhaps work with a microformat
for such things, so that we can standardize on the basis of experience
using the technology in the field, rather than on speculative uses?
Mike
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Sam Kupersam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote:
2009/7/30 Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Sam Kupersam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote:
2009/7/30 Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Sam
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Mike Shavermike.sha...@gmail.com wrote:
Can the historical-timeline community perhaps work with a microformat
for such things, so that we can standardize on the basis of experience
using the technology in the field, rather than on speculative uses?
I'd
2009/7/30 Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Mike Shavermike.sha...@gmail.com wrote:
Can the historical-timeline community perhaps work with a microformat
for such things, so that we can standardize on the basis of experience
using the technology in the
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:01:33 +0200, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Mike Shavermike.sha...@gmail.com
wrote:
Can the historical-timeline community perhaps work with a microformat
for such things, so that we can standardize on the basis of
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Jim O'Donnellj...@eatyourgreens.org.uk wrote:
I think Google News Timeline is worth mentioning here as an application
which already does this
http://newstimeline.googlelabs.com/
It shows
events going back to the late Middle Ages. I'm not sure how they've
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Aryeh Gregorsimetrical+...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Jim O'Donnellj...@eatyourgreens.org.uk
wrote:
I think Google News Timeline is worth mentioning here as an application
which already does this
http://newstimeline.googlelabs.com/
It
2009/7/30 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.com
time certainly wouldn't help
here -- this application doesn't need a way to say this text string
denotes a particular time, but rather this event happened at this
particular time.
The latter presupposes the former. That's why being able to mark
David Singer wrote:
Against that, one has to realize that the label of the day before X
is well-defined for the day before the introduction of the Gregorian
calendar, and iteratively going back to year 1, year 0, year -1, and
so on.
In neither the Gregorian nor the Julian calendars is there a
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