Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-12-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010, David John Burrowes wrote: But, I share some of the same concerns (and more) as David Bruant, and would like to understand why this non-versioned HTML is a good thing. I keep imagining long, painful support issues. Non-versioned HTML is the only type of HTML we've

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-09-07 Thread fantasai
On 08/29/2010 08:00 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:15 PM, David John Burrowes bain...@davidjohnburrowes.com wrote: I agree that they don't have access to versioning info from within the languages. But, CSS has some sense of versions (CSS, CSS2, and CSS3). This gives me

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-09-07 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 4:45 PM, fantasai fantasai.li...@inkedblade.net wrote: On 08/29/2010 08:00 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:15 PM, David John Burrowes bain...@davidjohnburrowes.com  wrote: I agree that they don't have access to versioning info from within the

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-08-29 Thread Julian Reschke
On 29.08.2010 05:15, David John Burrowes wrote: Hello all, I wanted to chime in on this discussion. Let me say up front that clearly the w3c and the browser vendors all are on the same page as you, Ian. I'm not in the position to be challenging your collective wisdom! ... With respect to

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-08-29 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:15 PM, David John Burrowes bain...@davidjohnburrowes.com wrote: I agree that they don't have access to versioning info from within the languages. But, CSS has some sense of versions (CSS, CSS2, and CSS3).  This gives me some ability to say ah, SurfBrowser 1.0 and

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-08-29 Thread David John Burrowes
On 2010/8/28, at 下午8:52, Scott González wrote: What percentage of all versions of all browsers do you think fully support any version of any spec? Saying that browser X supports some part of CSS2 is no more or less useful than saying browser X supports some part of CSS as it is defined today

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-08-29 Thread Joshua Cranmer
On 08/29/2010 11:33 AM, David John Burrowes wrote: As I see it, if I'm developing for other major platforms (java, osx, windows, ...) I have a fair degree of certainty which versions of those platforms support what features, and that's really useful in situations where I'm targeting (either

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-08-29 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 8/29/10 1:53 PM, Joshua Cranmer wrote: Most authors don't care about whether or not an implementation supports an entire, full specification; they just want to know Can I use this feature in this browser? So saying that all major implementations support much of CSS 2 to a high degree of

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-08-28 Thread David John Burrowes
Hello all, I wanted to chime in on this discussion. Let me say up front that clearly the w3c and the browser vendors all are on the same page as you, Ian. I'm not in the position to be challenging your collective wisdom! But, I share some of the same concerns (and more) as David Bruant, and

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-08-28 Thread Scott González
What percentage of all versions of all browsers do you think fully support any version of any spec? Saying that browser X supports some part of CSS2 is no more or less useful than saying browser X supports some part of CSS as it is defined today (which is backward compatible with how it was

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-08-28 Thread Jonathan Castello
I would guess that new features would go in their own spec, like Web Workers, WebSockets, and so on. If that is the case, you can still say browser X supports things by naming the specs, e.g. Chrome supports WebSockets. ~Jonathan Castello On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:15 PM, David John Burrowes

[whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-08-24 Thread David Bruant
Hi, Note after 10.1.1 The DOCTYPE : DOCTYPEs are required for legacy reasons. When omitted, browsers tend to use a different rendering mode that is incompatible with some specifications. Including the DOCTYPE in a document ensures that the browser makes a best-effort attempt at following the

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-08-24 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, David Bruant wrote: Note after 10.1.1 The DOCTYPE : DOCTYPEs are required for legacy reasons. When omitted, browsers tend to use a different rendering mode that is incompatible with some specifications. Including the DOCTYPE in a document ensures that the browser makes

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-08-24 Thread David Bruant
Le 25/08/2010 01:15, Ian Hickson a écrit : On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, David Bruant wrote: Note after 10.1.1 The DOCTYPE : DOCTYPEs are required for legacy reasons. When omitted, browsers tend to use a different rendering mode that is incompatible with some specifications. Including the DOCTYPE in

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-08-24 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, David Bruant wrote: It's likely that there won't be an HTML6 -- unlikely (likely-won't) doesn't mean that there won't be. The eventuality should probably not be thrown away that easily. Twenty years ago, who could have predicted what happened until today ? Can we

Re: [whatwg] HTML6 Doctype

2010-08-24 Thread Garrett Smith
On 8/24/10, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, David Bruant wrote: It's likely that there won't be an HTML6 -- unlikely (likely-won't) doesn't mean that there won't be. The eventuality should probably not be thrown away that easily. Twenty years ago, who could have