Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2011-02-19 Thread Biju
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Simpson, Grant Leyton glsim...@indiana.edu wrote: This is what I had assumed. I love the idea. However, I think installation is a bad metaphor, given that users will have preconceived notions about what installation means, namely that installed apps live on

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2011-02-18 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 06:27:48 +0100, Biju bijumaill...@gmail.com wrote: IE 9 is introducing meta-tags for custom jumplist actions (+ Pinned Sites). Mozilla is also planning to do same https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=605222 Some website (http://www.pcworld.com/ ) already started

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2011-02-17 Thread Biju
IE 9 is introducing meta-tags for custom jumplist actions (+ Pinned Sites). Mozilla is also planning to do same https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=605222 Some website (http://www.pcworld.com/ ) already started using it !!! At present IE9 make jumplist using msapplication-* If we dont

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2011-01-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Aaron Boodman wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 27 May 2010 18:22:03 +0200, Aaron Boodman a...@google.com wrote: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Lachlan Hunt lachlan.h...@lachy.id.au wrote: meta

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-08-23 Thread Mark Finkle
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Aaron Boodman a...@google.com wrote: Reviving ancient thread... To get a feel for the different approaches and tradeoffs, I've implemented a prototype of this using the two of the approaches that were discussed in this thread: 1. Embed metadata in the

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-08-21 Thread Aaron Boodman
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 27 May 2010 18:22:03 +0200, Aaron Boodman a...@google.com wrote: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Lachlan Hunt lachlan.h...@lachy.id.au wrote: meta name=application-name content=... You're right -- that one

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-06-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 27 May 2010 18:22:03 +0200, Aaron Boodman a...@google.com wrote: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Lachlan Hunt lachlan.h...@lachy.id.au wrote: meta name=application-name content=... You're right -- that one does exist already within the page. And it is a shame to waste these existing

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-06-09 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:26:12 +0200, Atul Varma ava...@mozilla.com wrote: For what it's worth, I think that giving developers tools to easily define more granular security mechanisms without resorting to subdomains is a win in terms of usability, as it's quite difficult to figure out how to

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-06-08 Thread Henri Sivonen
Aaron Boodman (劉) a...@google.com wrote: Every crx file is signed. The signature and public key are part of the zip file itself, just after the signature. The zip format allows extra data there. When you took apart those crx files, if you used 'unzip' from the command line, you may have

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-06-08 Thread Adam Barth
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: Aaron Boodman (劉) a...@google.com wrote: If we add paths to the mix, we can do this. Applications on the same origin can circumvent it if they want, but why would they? SOP already guarantees that apps on the same origin are

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-06-08 Thread Atul Varma
On 6/8/10 10:47 AM, Adam Barth wrote: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Henri Sivonenhsivo...@iki.fi wrote: Aaron Boodman (劉)a...@google.com wrote: If we add paths to the mix, we can do this. Applications on the same origin can circumvent it if they want, but why would they? SOP already

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-06-08 Thread Adam Barth
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Atul Varma ava...@mozilla.com wrote: On 6/8/10 10:47 AM, Adam Barth wrote: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: Aaron Boodman (劉) a...@google.com wrote: If we add paths to the mix, we can do this. Applications on the same origin

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-06-08 Thread Aaron Boodman
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: Yes, doing this correctly is quite subtle.  I'd pitch the feature more as developer connivence rather than for security.  Apps that are hosted in the same origin need to trust each other. That is what we were planning on. -

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-06-04 Thread Henri Sivonen
On May 26, 2010, at 20:10, Aaron Boodman wrote: This isn't really the point of this mail, but I just want to point out that there are more differences between wgt and crx than the format of the manifest file. The most important is that the identify of a crx file is a public key, and all crx

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-06-04 Thread Antony Sargent
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: After googling around a bit, I was unable to find a signed .crx file for analysis. (I took apart 3 .crx files and gave up.) Is the signing mechanism documented somewhere? .wgt reinvents the .jar signing wheel by the basic

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-06-04 Thread
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: On May 26, 2010, at 20:10, Aaron Boodman wrote: This isn't really the point of this mail, but I just want to point out that there are more differences between wgt and crx than the format of the manifest file. The most

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-05-27 Thread Lachlan Hunt
On 2010-05-26 19:10, Aaron Boodman wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Henri Sivonenhsivo...@iki.fi wrote: There's a zip file with a .crx extension that contains an icon, a permission manifest and potentially the code of the app (Building a serverless app). When the .crx file contains the

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-05-27 Thread Aaron Boodman
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Lachlan Hunt lachlan.h...@lachy.id.au wrote: On 2010-05-26 19:10, Aaron Boodman wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Henri Sivonenhsivo...@iki.fi wrote: There's a zip file with a .crx extension that contains an icon, a permission manifest and potentially

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-05-26 Thread Henri Sivonen
Grant Leyton Simpson glsim...@indiana.edu wrote: This is what I had assumed. I love the idea. However, I think installation is a bad metaphor, given that users will have preconceived notions about what installation means, namely that installed apps live on their machine and are under their

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-05-26 Thread Aaron Boodman
Hello Henri, Thank you for the thoughtful mail. I really appreciate you taking the time to understand the proposal. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: I don't think it's a given that everyone who is talking about installable Web apps is talking about HTTP

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-05-26 Thread Aaron Boodman
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Aaron Boodman a...@google.com wrote: !-- for UAs that want a button in the Chrome to appify -- button onclick=navigator.installApplication()install/button Sorry, I meant for UAs that want a button in the content area to appify. - a

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-05-25 Thread Simpson, Grant Leyton
One question I have off the top of my head is how updates are handled. I like the idea of better integration with the OS and the browser but I don't want to lose one of what I see as the best elements of web app development, namely the need to not have to update clients' copies of the app

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-05-25 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 25 May 2010 16:12:44 +0200, Simpson, Grant Leyton glsim...@indiana.edu wrote: One question I have off the top of my head is how updates are handled. I like the idea of better integration with the OS and the browser but I don't want to lose one of what I see as the best elements of

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-05-25 Thread Simpson, Grant Leyton
This is what I had assumed. I love the idea. However, I think installation is a bad metaphor, given that users will have preconceived notions about what installation means, namely that installed apps live on their machine and are under their control (for the most part). On May 25, 2010, at

[whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-05-24 Thread Aaron Boodman
This has come up before, but since Google has officially announced the project at IO, and Mozilla has voiced interest in the idea on their blog, I felt like it might be a good to revisit. Google would like to make today's web apps installable in Chrome. From a user's point of view, installing a

Re: [whatwg] Installable web apps

2010-05-24 Thread Dion Almaer
I think that unifying as much as possible would be a win. We could either: a) each browser has their own formats, and someone generates tools to spit them all out b) come to some agreement on at least a base set (with vendor goodies added) As a developer, I want to create one app and send that