Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2009-08-21 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Lachlan Hunt wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: In response to overwhelming feedback on this issue (especially in blogs, forums, and mailing lists other than this one, like www-html and public-html) I've removed the predefined classes. They're opaque again. The main

Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-08-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 17 May 2007, Michel Fortin wrote: Le 2007-05-17 à 12:22, Adrienne Travis a écrit : A lot of us loved the IDEA of predefined classes, but didn't like the idea of confusing THAT mechanism with the CSS class mechanism. Personally, I really don't like thinking of class= exclusively

Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-08-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2007, Adrienne Travis wrote: Is there still room for discussion regarding the /role/ attribute with namespacing as an alternative? A lot of us loved the IDEA of predefined classes, but didn't like the idea of confusing THAT

Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-08-08 Thread cr
the start. I think the initial idea was that the class attribute would cover the the semantics while CSS the presentation of those semantics. The only problem is that earlier specs left those semantics undefined, with no way to define them unambiguously you can unambiguously define the

Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-08-08 Thread Ian Hickson
I'm not exactly sure what the context of this e-mail was (it seemed to be a non-sequitur relative to its parent e-mail in the thread). It seems, however, that it was attempting to suggest a solution without describing the problem being solved, which makes it difficult to evaluate. I've mostly

Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-05-17 Thread Adrienne Travis
Is there still room for discussion regarding the /role/ attribute with namespacing as an alternative? A lot of us loved the IDEA of predefined classes, but didn't like the idea of confusing THAT mechanism with the CSS class mechanism. Adrienne On 5/16/07, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-05-17 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 2007-05-17 à 12:22, Adrienne Travis a écrit : A lot of us loved the IDEA of predefined classes, but didn't like the idea of confusing THAT mechanism with the CSS class mechanism. Personally, I really don't like thinking of class= exclusively as a mechanism to associate styles. The fact

Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-05-17 Thread Adrienne Travis
I understand the idea that classes were supposed to have semantics all along -- though i don't think that idea is necessarily borne out by the spec -- but the issue, for me, is NAMESPACING (whether formally defined or otherwise). If i'm using class=navigation and class=copyright (to use two

Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-05-17 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 2007-05-17 à 13:54, Adrienne Travis a écrit : If we could NAMESPACE the predefined class names, that'd actually remove ALL my objections to the idea of overloading /class/ instead of creating a new attribute (/role/ or whatever). But unfortunately, that totally breaks backwards-compatibility

Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-05-17 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Adrienne, I'm not sure how good or bad IE is in general at this stuff. But I know escaping the : works in IE (for CSS)... because I did it before. (Works in Firefox too of course.) See ya On 5/17/07, Adrienne Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles, I went and looked, and per the

Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-05-17 Thread Michel Fortin
Was this supposed to be on the list? I'm not sure, so I'll reply to you personally. Feel free to forward it if you want. Le 2007-05-17 à 16:44, Adrienne Travis a écrit : The CSS 1 spec says that a selector CANNOT start with a dash. I find nothing in the CSS 2 spec to overwrite that, though i

Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-05-17 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Ian Hickson wrote: In response to overwhelming feedback on this issue (especially in blogs, forums, and mailing lists other than this one, like www-html and public-html) I've removed the predefined classes. They're opaque again. The main use cases for predefined classes can mostly be dealt

Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-05-17 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 17, 2007, at 5:43 PM, Lachlan Hunt wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: In response to overwhelming feedback on this issue (especially in blogs, forums, and mailing lists other than this one, like www- html and public-html) I've removed the predefined classes. They're opaque again. The main

Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-05-17 Thread Jon Barnett
There are various possible solutions to replace error and warning, some of which include the following. (This is just brainstorming, neither of these are particularly well thought out ideas.) 1. New attn element (short for 'attention'), which is specifically for attracting the users attention,

Re: [whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-05-17 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
On 2007-05-18 00:37:53 +0200 Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2007, Adrienne Travis wrote: Is there still room for discussion regarding the /role/ attribute with namespacing as an alternative? A lot of us loved the IDEA of predefined classes, but didn't like the idea of

[whatwg] Predefined classes are gone

2007-05-16 Thread Ian Hickson
In response to overwhelming feedback on this issue (especially in blogs, forums, and mailing lists other than this one, like www-html and public-html) I've removed the predefined classes. They're opaque again. The main use cases for predefined classes can mostly be dealt with using some of