Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text

2009-07-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Eduard Pascual wrote: On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: [...] On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Eduard Pascual wrote: It's clear that, despite the spec would currently encourage this example's markup, it is not a good choice. IMHO, either of

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text

2009-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Markus Ernst wrote: Ian Hickson schrieb: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Andrew W. Hagen wrote: Encouraging use of small print for legalese also encourages this: h1 a href=continue.html Welcome to the BigCo web site. Click to continue. /a /h1 smallBy clicking

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text

2009-07-19 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: [...] On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Eduard Pascual wrote: It's clear that, despite the spec would currently encourage this example's markup, it is not a good choice. IMHO, either of these should be used instead: pYour 100%

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text

2009-07-02 Thread Markus Ernst
Ian Hickson schrieb: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Andrew W. Hagen wrote: Encouraging use of small print for legalese also encourages this: h1 a href=continue.html Welcome to the BigCo web site. Click to continue. /a /h1 smallBy clicking above, you agree that BigCo can charge your credit card $10 per

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text

2009-07-02 Thread Andrew W. Hagen
The text from the current spec is, Small print is typically legalese describing disclaimers, caveats, legal restrictions, or copyrights. Small print is also sometimes used for attribution. By suggesting it is typical, that implicitly encourages people to use small print for legal text. One of

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text

2009-07-02 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
I have addressed all Andrew's points previously. Please forgive my posting an outline of the arguments here. 1. The specification does not encourage using the SMALL element for legal notices. It merely allows the SMALL element to contain legal notices. 2. Legal texts are unreadable on their

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text

2009-06-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Andrew W. Hagen wrote: I have a copy of the Constitution of the United States on my web site. That is a legal text. It also qualifies as legalese, a derogatory term. If I were to change it to HTML 5, the current spec encourages me to place the entire Constitution in

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text (was: Pre-Last Call Comments)

2009-06-05 Thread Giovanni Campagna
2009/6/5 Jeff Walden jwalden+wha...@mit.edu: Do you seriously believe any client in an industry where he has to step carefully enough to worry about typographical formatting of legal notices is fool enough to follow a not-even-recommendation in the HTML5 specification over what his lawyer

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text

2009-06-05 Thread Andrew W. Hagen
On 6/4/2009 5:10 PM, Jeff Walden wrote: Do you seriously believe any client in an industry where he has to step carefully enough to worry about typographical formatting of legal notices is fool enough to follow a not-even-recommendation in the HTML5 specification over what his lawyer tells him

[whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text (was: Pre-Last Call Comments)

2009-06-04 Thread Andrew W. Hagen
Responding to Kristof Zelechovski. I have a copy of the Constitution of the United States on my web site. That is a legal text. It also qualifies as legalese, a derogatory term. If I were to change it to HTML 5, the current spec encourages me to place the entire Constitution in small elements.

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text (was: Pre-Last Call Comments)

2009-06-04 Thread Křištof Želechovski
While I actually defended the recommendation to use the SMALL element for legal text, and I am still ready to do it, it is worth noting that the text of section 4.6.6. does not contain such a recommendation. It merely states that out of possible uses of the SMALL element, the legal use is the

Re: [whatwg] do not encourage use of small element for legal text (was: Pre-Last Call Comments)

2009-06-04 Thread Jeff Walden
Do you seriously believe any client in an industry where he has to step carefully enough to worry about typographical formatting of legal notices is fool enough to follow a not-even-recommendation in the HTML5 specification over what his lawyer tells him is the correct thing to do? Jeff