Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-12 Thread Dean Edwards
Matthew Raymond wrote: Dean Edwards wrote: Matthew Raymond wrote: I did a quick test, and using in a produces a bullet on Firefox, IE and Opera, whereas and the complete lack of a parent element did not. So, didn't break anything, but it really didn't have the desired rendering on legacy b

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-12 Thread Matthew Raymond
Dean Edwards wrote: Matthew Raymond wrote: I did a quick test, and using in a produces a bullet on Firefox, IE and Opera, whereas and the complete lack of a parent element did not. So, didn't break anything, but it really didn't have the desired rendering on legacy browsers. This alone it

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-12 Thread Dean Edwards
Matthew Raymond wrote: I did a quick test, and using in a produces a bullet on Firefox, IE and Opera, whereas and the complete lack of a parent element did not. So, didn't break anything, but it really didn't have the desired rendering on legacy browsers. This alone it a good argument fo

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-12 Thread Matthew Raymond
James Graham wrote: In general, the ability, or lack thereof, to express a given constraint in any schema language has been regarded as an unimportant consideration for Web Forms content models (and hence, by inference, is unimportant for Web Apps content models) . Therefore this isn't a good ar

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-12 Thread James Graham
Anne van Kesteren wrote: Dean Edwards wrote: Introducing this element affects the content model of DL. There are multiple options possible. Either you could permit DI as well. You could require it, or have a mixed content model where you only allow the one or the other depending on your needs.

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-12 Thread Matthew Raymond
Ben Meadowcroft wrote: If we're intent on producing an "HTML 5" specification which introduces enhancements beyond improving the form controls etc I don't see why we are debating the content model of DL's etc in this forum? Surely we should discuss it in the context of XHTML 2.0 and when that is re

RE: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-12 Thread Ben Meadowcroft
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Anne van Kesteren > Sent: 12 March 2005 09:29 > To: Dean Edwards > Cc: WHAT WG List > Subject: Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element > > > Dean Edwards wrote: > >

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-12 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Dean Edwards wrote: Introducing this element affects the content model of DL. There are multiple options possible. Either you could permit DI as well. You could require it, or have a mixed content model where you only allow the one or the other depending on your needs. Couldn't we just allow in

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-12 Thread Dean Edwards
Anne van Kesteren wrote: Introducing this element affects the content model of DL. There are multiple options possible. Either you could permit DI as well. You could require it, or have a mixed content model where you only allow the one or the other depending on your needs. Couldn't we just allo

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-10 Thread Christoph Päper
*Anne van Kesteren* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: The advantage of DI is that it allows grouping of definitions ACK and therefore takes away the importance of element order. So you want to put 'dt' after 'dd'? Seems strange to me. From a structural point of view it is very difficult for current DL element

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-10 Thread Matthew Raymond
Anne van Kesteren wrote: Matthew Raymond wrote: Cool. I hadn't really thought about this situation. Let's see if I can fit it into my previous / proposal: Isn't that just the proposal from XHTML 2.0? Also, that is not backwards compatible. It's similar, but I've elaborated on it significantly.

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-10 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Matthew Raymond wrote: Cool. I hadn't really thought about this situation. Let's see if I can fit it into my previous / proposal: Isn't that just the proposal from XHTML 2.0? Also, that is not backwards compatible. I support including both SECTION and DI. But if SECTION isn't required, I cannot

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-10 Thread Matthew Raymond
Mikko Rantalainen wrote: How about the following example (doesn't nicely fit the western document authoring style, but anyway): HEADING1 This is a paragraph related to heading 1. This is a paragraph related to heading 1. HEADING 1.1 This is

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-10 Thread Rob Mientjes
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:23:52 +0200, Mikko Rantalainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think it's kinda double. But hey, maybe I'm missing something? ... which you show me by... > HEADING1 > > This is a paragraph related to heading 1. > > This is a paragraph related to h

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-10 Thread Mikko Rantalainen
Rob Mientjes wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:58:33 +0100, Anne van Kesteren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The advantage of DI is that it allows grouping of definitions and Well, I'm not sure if it's not already clear that, without a definition term, there can be no new definition descriptions. It is on

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-10 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Rob Mientjes wrote: The advantage of DI is that it allows grouping of definitions and therefore takes away the importance of element order. It also has a semantic advantage to group these elements. From a structural point of view it is very difficult for current DL element constructs to see which

Re: [whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-10 Thread Rob Mientjes
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:58:33 +0100, Anne van Kesteren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The advantage of DI is that it allows grouping of definitions and > therefore takes away the importance of element order. It also has a > semantic advantage to group these elements. From a structural point of > view

[whatwg] [html5] DI element

2005-03-10 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Introducing this element affects the content model of DL. There are multiple options possible. Either you could permit DI as well. You could require it, or have a mixed content model where you only allow the one or the other depending on your needs. Personally I would vote for requiring it. A s