Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement (was: Creative Commons Rights Expression Language)

2008-08-26 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Web browsers are (hopefully) designed so that they run in every culture. If you define a custom vocabulary without considering its ability to describe phenomena of other cultures and try to impose it worldwide, you do more harm than good to the representatives of those cultures. And considering i

Re: [whatwg] RDFa

2008-08-26 Thread Dan Brickley
Ian Hickson wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2008, Julian Reschke wrote: Again you're confusing HTTP URLs with URIs. Using URIs as identifiers allows lots of identification schemes other than HTTP, in particular ones that are not based on DNS, or that use DNS, but include a timestamp to address the conc

Re: [whatwg] RDFa

2008-08-26 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Dan Brickley wrote: > > You mentioned earlier that the RDFish practices around downloading and > interpreting schemas from the Web is news to you. I'll take up an action > to document some of the things we do in that area (eg. with SPARQL for > data merging), probably as a

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Dan Brickley
Kristof Zelechovski wrote: Web browsers are (hopefully) designed so that they run in every culture. If you define a custom vocabulary without considering its ability to describe phenomena of other cultures and try to impose it worldwide, you do more harm than good to the representatives of those

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement (was: Creative Commons Rights Expression Language)

2008-08-26 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 26 août 2008 à 16:04, Kristof Zelechovski a écrit : Web browsers are (hopefully) designed so that they run in every culture. If you define a custom vocabulary without considering its ability to describe phenomena of other cultures and try to impose it worldwide, you do more harm than g

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement (was: Creative Commons Rights Expression Language)

2008-08-26 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Manu Sporny wrote: > > Web browsers currently do not understand the meaning behind human > statements or concepts on a web page. While this may seem academic, it > has direct implications on website usability. If web browsers could > understand that a particular page was de

Re: [whatwg] RDFa

2008-08-26 Thread Dan Brickley
Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Dan Brickley wrote: [...] Sketch of a scenario: 1. Alice deploys 1979 to describe a museum artifact. She calls it this because it marks up some information about the creation date of some real world thing, and because 'creationDate' is already in use

Re: [whatwg] RDFa

2008-08-26 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Dan Brickley wrote: > > > > If Charlie wants to work with Alice's site, he should agree with Alice > > about what vocabularies they're going to use, and then only use that. > > Are you suggesting pairwise contracts between producers and consumers of > HTML-embedded structur

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Manu Sporny
Kristof Zelechovski wrote: > Web browsers are (hopefully) designed so that they run in every culture. If > you define a custom vocabulary without considering its ability to describe > phenomena of other cultures and try to impose it worldwide, you do more harm > than good to the representatives of

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Ben Adida
I'm really glad Manu's explanation was helpful. Thanks Manu! I don't want to interrupt this useful thread, I'll only contribute one piece of information in the form of an example application: > Is this something that users actually want? How would this actually work? [...] > It would be helpf

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Greg Houston
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Ben Adida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's one example. This is not the only way that RDFa can be helpful, > but it should help make things more concrete: > > http://developer.yahoo.com/searchmonkey/ > > Using semantic markup in HTML (microformats and, soon, RD

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Ben Adida
Greg Houston wrote: > I am not sure if Ben was eluding to this in the last paragraph, but to > further complicate things SearchMonkey is not actually using RDF, I think you're confusing two different layers. SearchMonkey parses HTML with microformats, and soon HTML+RDFa, and makes that data avail

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Dan Brickley
Ben Adida wrote: Greg Houston wrote: I am not sure if Ben was eluding to this in the last paragraph, but to further complicate things SearchMonkey is not actually using RDF, I think you're confusing two different layers. SearchMonkey parses HTML with microformats, and soon HTML+RDFa, and make

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Manu Sporny
Ian, I am addressing these questions both personally and as a representative of our company, Digital Bazaar. I am certainly not speaking in any way for the W3C SWD, RDFa Task Force, or Microformats community. Ian Hickson wrote: > On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Manu Sporny wrote: >> Web browsers currently d

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Dan Brickley
Dan Brickley wrote: Ben Adida wrote: Greg Houston wrote: I am not sure if Ben was eluding to this in the last paragraph, but to further complicate things SearchMonkey is not actually using RDF, I think you're confusing two different layers. SearchMonkey parses HTML with microformats, and so

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Features (was: RDFa Problem Statement)

2008-08-26 Thread Manu Sporny
Hi Ian, The second part of the replies to your questions regarding RDFa are below. Note that the list of technical merits I was affording RDFa was not meant to be exhaustive and I won't be adding to them in the body of this particular e-mail. There are additional ones, however, and we can get a mo

[whatwg] RDFa Basics Video (8 minutes)

2008-08-26 Thread Manu Sporny
Here's a quick 8 minute RDFa Basics video for those of you that are not familiar with how RDF and RDFa work. I'm posting this in an attempt to bring those that are unfamiliar with these concepts up to speed. RDFa Basics (8 minutes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldl0m-5zLz4 -- manu -- Manu Spor