Re: [whatwg] DOMTokenList is unordered but yet requires sorting

2009-05-14 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
If a token list represented an ordered set, it could not be sorted to get an item because the host would have to preserve the original (document) order of tokens. Chris

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread James Graham
jgra...@opera.com wrote: Quoting Philip Taylor excors+wha...@gmail.com: On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: One of the more elaborate use cases I collected from the e-mails sent in over the past few months was the following: USE CASE: Annotate structured

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Shelley Powers
James Graham wrote: jgra...@opera.com wrote: Quoting Philip Taylor excors+wha...@gmail.com: On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: One of the more elaborate use cases I collected from the e-mails sent in over the past few months was the following: USE CASE:

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Dan Brickley
On 14/5/09 14:18, Shelley Powers wrote: James Graham wrote: jgra...@opera.com wrote: Quoting Philip Taylor excors+wha...@gmail.com: On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: One of the more elaborate use cases I collected from the e-mails sent in over the past few

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Shelley Powers
Dan Brickley wrote: On 14/5/09 14:18, Shelley Powers wrote: James Graham wrote: jgra...@opera.com wrote: Quoting Philip Taylor excors+wha...@gmail.com: On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: One of the more elaborate use cases I collected from the e-mails sent

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Philip Taylor
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Dan Brickley dan...@danbri.org wrote: Having HTML5-microdata -to- RDF parsers is pretty critical to having test cases that help us all understand where RDFa-Classic and HTML5 diverge. I'm very happy to see this work being done and that there are multiple

[whatwg] A Selector-based metadata proposal (was: Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for)

2009-05-14 Thread Eduard Pascual
I have put online a document that describes my idea/proposal for a selector-based solution to metadata. The document can be found at http://herenvardo.googlepages.com/CRDF.pdf Feel free to copy and/or link the file wherever you deem appropriate. Needless to say, feedback and constructive

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 14, 2009, at 5:18 AM, Shelley Powers wrote: So much concern about generating RDF, makes one wonder why we didn't just implement RDFa... If it's possible to produce RDF triples from microdata, and if RDF triples of interest can be expressed with microdata, why does it matter if

Re: [whatwg] video/audio feedback

2009-05-14 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:29 PM, David Singer sin...@apple.com wrote: At 12:09  +1000 13/05/09, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:  On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 6:56 PM, David Singer sin...@apple.com wrote:  At 14:09  +1000 9/05/09,

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Shelley Powers
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On May 14, 2009, at 5:18 AM, Shelley Powers wrote: So much concern about generating RDF, makes one wonder why we didn't just implement RDFa... If it's possible to produce RDF triples from microdata, and if RDF triples of interest can be expressed with microdata,

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 14, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Shelley Powers wrote: Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On May 14, 2009, at 5:18 AM, Shelley Powers wrote: So much concern about generating RDF, makes one wonder why we didn't just implement RDFa... If it's possible to produce RDF triples from microdata, and if RDF

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Shelley Powers
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On May 14, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Shelley Powers wrote: Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On May 14, 2009, at 5:18 AM, Shelley Powers wrote: So much concern about generating RDF, makes one wonder why we didn't just implement RDFa... If it's possible to produce RDF triples

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Philip Taylor excors+wha...@gmail.com wrote: [...] If we restrict literals to strings [...] But *why* restrict literals to strings?? Being unable to state that 2009-05-14 is a date makes that value completely useless: it would only be useful on contexts where a

Re: [whatwg] DOMTokenList is unordered but yet requires sorting

2009-05-14 Thread Erik Arvidsson
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 00:30, Kristof Zelechovski giecr...@stegny.2a.pl wrote: If a token list represented an ordered set, it could not be sorted to get an item because the host would have to preserve the original (document) order of tokens. The question is why does the set need to be ordered

[whatwg] [Fwd: Re: Helping people seaching for content filtered by license]

2009-05-14 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
sorry, forgot to cc the list Weitergeleitete Nachricht Von: Nils Dagsson Moskopp nils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net An: Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch Betreff: Re: [whatwg] Helping people seaching for content filtered by license Datum: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:04:41 +0200

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: * Support for specifying a machine-readable value, such as for dates, colors, numbers, etc. * Support for tabular data. Especially the former is very interesting to me. I even wonder it would allow replacing the time

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Philip Taylor
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Philip Taylor excors+wha...@gmail.com wrote: [...]  urn:subject urn:predicate _:X . [...]  div item    link itemprop=about href=urn:subject    meta itemprop=urn:predicate item id=X  /div [...] So, I can't see any limits on expressivity other than that

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-05-14 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 14, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Shelley Powers wrote: So, if I'm pushing for RDFa, it's not because I want to win. It's because I have things I want to do now, and I would like to make sure have a reasonable chance of working a couple of years in the future. And yeah, once SVG is in HTML5,