Re: [whatwg] ECMAScript extensions in Web Applications

2005-10-15 Thread Ian Hickson
not really sure what you're proposing. Are you suggesting that any Function object should have a .handleEvent() method in addition to its .call() method and its .prototype attribute? What would be the point? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] Web Forms 2.0 - select element

2005-10-16 Thread Ian Hickson
. This currently isn't supported by HTML.) It's pretty bad UI for a select to do something if you reselect the current selection, IMHO. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things

Re: [whatwg] [WA1] Quick thoughts on menus.

2005-10-16 Thread Ian Hickson
if it is replaced by something simpler.) * Replicate every feature of every OS in the first version. * Having arbitrary form controls in menus. * Introducing no new elements. It's ok to introduce new elements. Let me know if you have any questions. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] web-apps - TCPConnection

2005-10-16 Thread Ian Hickson
will allow arbitrary data out, we avoid the possibility of servers getting hijacked in this way. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] a href= ping=

2005-10-21 Thread Ian Hickson
it in until someone comes up with a better idea, so that we have a placeholder (and so that people who wish to experiment with the idea can do so -- there seems to be at least some interest in it). I agree that if something better comes along in the future we should use that instead! -- Ian Hickson

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] 2.3. Changes to existing controls

2005-10-23 Thread Ian Hickson
and to parsers exposed to internal subsets, IIRC. Since it is not expected that WF2 documents will be exposed to DTDs of any kind, that does not seem a helpful note. Could you expand on why it would be helpful? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] a href= ping=

2005-10-23 Thread Ian Hickson
on this thread so far! -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] WF 2: section 8.2 error

2005-10-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, ROBO Design wrote: I have found an error in the WF 2 specification, section 8.2 Relation to CSS selectors [1]. Oops. Thanks. Fixed. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] a href= ping=

2005-10-25 Thread Ian Hickson
). Improvement over what? I've used your text for now. I'm still looking for something better. :-) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Web Forms 2.0 - repetition model control

2005-10-26 Thread Ian Hickson
be better than what's currently in the spec. I really believe something should be done (if I am not too late)... this was the only thing that really seemed 'bad'/wrong immediately after reading. I guess I'm not convinced that we will have a problem if we go with the current names. -- Ian

Re: [whatwg] web-apps - TCPConnection

2005-10-26 Thread Ian Hickson
that are expecting connections from the page's domain, which massively minimises the risk. (At the moment, it isn't possible to connect to remote hosts from other domains anyway, but I imagine we'll relax this in due course.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] web-apps - TCPConnection

2005-10-26 Thread Ian Hickson
that they do? It would just make matters worse, with obscure per-server/client pair bugs for browsers to work around. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just

Re: [whatwg] WA 1.0 and WF 2

2005-10-26 Thread Ian Hickson
really curious about the reason for doing so. Do you recommend I use lang=en-robodesign (and ro-robodesign) on my site :) ? As others have indicated, there's a spec for that language code. :-) But it's mostly for fun. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL

Re: [whatwg] [html5] html:style parsing

2005-11-04 Thread Ian Hickson
required by the Web. The HTML5 parsing section will cover this in detail. Note that HTML5 is not based on SGML any more. It will have its own independent parsing section. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] globalStorage scope issue

2005-11-14 Thread Ian Hickson
in. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] WA 1.0 and WF 2

2005-11-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, Jasper Bryant-Greene wrote: On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 19:14 +, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Simon Pieters wrote: I would prefer if the spec was gzipped In theory this should be happening already. The server supports gzip [content] encoding

Re: [whatwg] http://whatwg.org/demos/repeat-02/results.xml

2005-11-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Could you please change the namespace to http://n.whatwg.org/formdata;. Perhaps you also want to note at http://n.whatwg.org/formdata that it can be used for seeding the form with initial values as well. Done and done. Cheers, -- Ian Hickson

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Example not well-formed

2005-11-21 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, Simon Pieters wrote: This example[1] should probably be something along the lines: form xml:base=http://search.example.com/; pinput type=submit//p /form [1] http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#extensions2 Good catch, thanks. Fixed. -- Ian Hickson

Re: [whatwg] [WA1] INS/DEL and omitted /p tags

2005-11-24 Thread Ian Hickson
be correct instead. :-) Basically, when the parsing section gets written, it'll be written to match the behaviour that the most browsers do. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things

Re: [whatwg] Maintaining unrounded values in forms

2005-11-25 Thread Ian Hickson
this issue on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] keygen element

2005-11-26 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005, Hallvord Reiar Michaelsen Steen wrote: On 14 Nov 2005 at 23:43, Ian Hickson wrote: Also, AFAIK keygen isn't in any standard but implemented in both Gecko and Opera. Something for WHATWG to standardise? keygen in general is not specified at all in WHATWG

[whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-11-27 Thread Ian Hickson
of the attribute -- though I'm not convinced that's a blocker problem, to be honest), makes the input type mistake of having an element's behaviour change radically based on an attribute (bad for authors and implementors). Anybody got any better ideas? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
select (and is done often today), and so it would allow for a seamless fallback (if we do it right). -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
the hint is only for the UA to decide whether or not to load the resource? Well the hint allows the UA to prepare the right kind of rendering context, but the point is that it might be wrong, causing the UA to have to change rendering context, which is bad for perf. -- Ian Hickson U

Re: [whatwg] 1.2 scope

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
of XUL and Mozilla. Sure it is. Microsoft couldn't come along and have equal say in the development of XUL, not like they could with the WHATWG or W3C specs. (Disclosure: I'm one of the editors of the woefully incomplete XUL spec.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
)ML, this is something that is not well handled by XML UAs in general, and I'm not looking forward to defining how that works. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Christian Biesinger wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Yeah, what's a plugin and what isn't is a UA thing, so if the UA decides that its PNG and SVG plugins happen to be native support, well, that's what it is. (Both PNG and SVG are recognised by Mozilla's embed because

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] some comments on DOM interface section

2005-11-30 Thread Ian Hickson
. Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] some comments on DOM interface section

2005-11-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Quoting Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I suppose I _could_ copy the definition over but that seems like more work than it is worth, really. Just add to http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#terminology: # The term dfnreflect/dfn

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] DOMControlValueChanged cancelable?

2005-12-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote: The specification does not really say whether it is cancelable or not explicitly. Taking into account the text surrounding the event it is probably not cancelable, but I guess that should be noted. Also s/fired an/fired on/ Fixed. -- Ian

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] :disabled does not address option inside disabled optgroup

2005-12-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote: It only addresses form controls nested in a fieldset. However, setting optgroup to disabled should cause descendents of that, either optgroup or option, to become disabled as well. Fixed. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] :disabled does not address option inside disabled optgroup

2005-12-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Quoting Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It only addresses form controls nested in a fieldset. However, setting optgroup to disabled should cause descendents of that, either optgroup or option, to become disabled as well. Fixed

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] change event

2005-12-01 Thread Ian Hickson
), a change event is fired on the output element. That contradicts each other, no? output is not a control. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] change event

2005-12-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Section 4.2 states: Change and input events must never be triggered by scripted changes to the control value. Section 2.13 states: Whenever the value attribute changes (whether directly

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] change event is not cancelable

2005-12-05 Thread Ian Hickson
that this solely applies to 'input' and 'DOMActivate'. (And not to the 'change' event.) It applies to all the events mentioned in that section, namely click, DOMActivate, and change. Where's the ambiguity? I'm confused. Why would it not apply to 'change'? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] change event is not cancelable

2005-12-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Quoting Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#the-click # If the default action of any of these events is canceled, # the value of the properties changed must be changed back # to their original

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-06 Thread Ian Hickson
. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-06 Thread Ian Hickson
element you render it as a menu button, and you use the contents to determine the menu and the button label according to some algorithm. (I've renamed menulabel to x to remove any mention of what we call new elements for now. The structure is what I'm looking at here.) -- Ian Hickson

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-06 Thread Ian Hickson
, from a list of three types: context menu (hidden until activated), tool bar/menu bar/menu button/whatever you call it (turns each command into a button, and each submenu into a menu button), and the default, which is to display as a ul (like today). -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-06 Thread Ian Hickson
. Although... maybe with XBL2's xbl:pseudo= stuff we can make use of that. Hmm. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-06 Thread Ian Hickson
with nl, making it more like the XHTML 2.0 element? nl doesn't have convenient fallback characteristics. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-06 Thread Ian Hickson
able to get just the right kind of fallback. Most toolbars these days don't have bullets before every command button. :-) Earlier, Ian Hickson wrote: 1. Providing a menu bar for the entire window (or application, on Mac), so that the application can be a native-like application. This, IMHO

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-07 Thread Ian Hickson
activated on specific items, so we need a way to mark them. There's also a practical difference between menu as implemented today and menu as we want it to work (with natively implemented dynamic UI), so we need a way to mark those too. This is why I was thinking of an attribute on menu. -- Ian

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-07 Thread Ian Hickson
. It could still be done in HTML by modifying the DOM to move it from the body to the head using a script. UAs without script would just get a regular menu within the page, which isn't bad fallback. True. This isn't really in scope for HTML5 IMHO, though. -- Ian Hickson U

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-07 Thread Ian Hickson
(for toolbars, at least), they don't have multilevel groupings. They kind of do, in some contexts, e.g. drop-down buttons. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Lachlan Hunt wrote: I don't really want to add a lot of new attributes to option; What new attributes are you talking about? Option already has a label attribute in HTML4. All the ones that command has. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-07 Thread Ian Hickson
with. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] HTMLLegendElement member

2005-12-08 Thread Ian Hickson
. I've corrected the comments to match the prose at the end of 7.7. Validation APIs. (There is also a markup error in 7.5. Additions specific to the HTMLFieldsetElement interface.) Fixed. Thanks, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch

Re: [whatwg] [WF2] Errors in 2.12. The datalist element and the list attribute

2005-12-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Matthew Raymond wrote: A couple of the examples use the |data| attribute instead of the |list| attribute. See the following URL: http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#the-datalist Oops! Fixed. Thanks. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-12 Thread Ian Hickson
/a a rel=address href=addressContact/a /menu /nav The UA can still take the link types out and make the toolbar, if it wants to do so, as the semantics are still there. (Note to eager menu spec designers: no, I have no idea if that's what I want it to look like.) -- Ian Hickson U

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] list and datalist

2005-12-12 Thread Ian Hickson
are like that, really.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-13 Thread Ian Hickson
fond of popup, though). What I really want is an attribute whose values convey acts as a ul with no magic, declares a menu for use elsewhere, and turns into a toolbar, menu bar, or other command list displayed inline. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-13 Thread Ian Hickson
for multiple labels to target the same element. Yeah, this is something that I'd like to support too. I'm not sure the right concept to decouple is label, though. Showing the menu could also be considered a command of kinds. I'm still vague about this. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
an element with an attribute that refers to another menu element. The real question is which element to use: one specifically for this, menu, command, label, a, or something else? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
are a kind of abstraction beyond most authors. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
presentation. In the default audio presentation, the icons are, of course, irrelevant. My intent is to first work out what we want the markup to be, then once we've got that sorted out, to work out how to style it (which might need changes to CSS, but that's another matter). -- Ian Hickson

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Authors like having the links in their content area. We're not going to convince them to remove them. IMHO. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] Restrict template attributes to only fieldset, tr, and li?

2005-12-19 Thread Ian Hickson
spec. :-) I'll probably change the section title when I merge WF2 into WA1. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] Restrict template attributes to only fieldset, tr, and li?

2005-12-19 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Dean Edwards wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Is this only because it is easier to implement the DOM interface on a limited set of elements than on all elements? Basically, yes. As far as the DOM is concerned it is nigh on impossible to support dynamic creation

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-19 Thread Ian Hickson
as if its contents were there instead of the menu, but with an hr before and an hr after. In addition, if type is either autosubmit, declare autosubmit, or commands autosubmit, then the submenu/menu part/menu button has the autosubmit behaviour. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-19 Thread Ian Hickson
didn't have annoying bugs with it. It's not like IE doesn't have bugs with link rel=stylesheet... -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-19 Thread Ian Hickson
browsers ready for nested optgroup? As I recall, when we decided to include it Web Forms 2, browsers failed relatively gracefully in the face of optgroup. There weren't any crashes or anything, at least. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-19 Thread Ian Hickson
the benefits of the what spec's usage as well. I'm not sure Google's sitemaps are really what Alexey was intending here. (Google's sitemaps are more a list of URIs than a map.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-30 Thread Ian Hickson
of the specification). -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Attaching style sheets (was: Re: Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted)

2005-12-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Quoting Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (Though link rel=stylesheet could be replaced by style src= -- already supported by browsers -- or obsoleted only for XHTML, in favour of ?xml-stylesheet, as far as stylesheets go.) Which browsers

Re: [whatwg] [html5] bogus comment state

2006-01-05 Thread Ian Hickson
will need to be defined for handling it in HTML5. Indeed. See the current proposal for one possibility. The current proposal is just a straw man, by the way. It, as everything else in the draft, is very open to change. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] [WA1] menus

2006-01-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Laurens Holst wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: # menubar # li #a href=#fileFile/a #menu id=file # libutton type=button onclick=fnew()New.../button/li To: menubar li menulabela href=#fileFile/a/menulabel menu id=file

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on Context and Popup Menus for Web Applications 1.0

2006-01-05 Thread Ian Hickson
the underlying principle of activating a menu with a button or other control is impossible in text mode UAs. Yeah, I don't really understand here. Popup menus in text mode have been possible for decades... -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] The HTML namespace

2006-01-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, Simon Pieters wrote: The Namespaces section[1] currently says: The HTML namespace is: http://www.w3.org/1999/html I guess that should probably be http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;. Oops, thanks, good catch. Fixed. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] After attribute name state

2006-01-08 Thread Ian Hickson
it is present and bleh when it is not; if it is present it must have the value b, which gives one set of criteria for UAs and one set of criteria for authors. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] The link element and display: meta

2006-01-08 Thread Ian Hickson
(e.g. the back/forward integration APIs have clear demand; though it remains to be seen if our APIs get implemented and used, people are certainly doing their best to implement JS libraries to fake them today). -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2006-01-08 Thread Ian Hickson
if the navigation was integrated into the UA's chrome. Nor am I convinced that if it was integrated into the UA's chrome in a usable fashion, that it would take less room than it would if styled by the author of the page. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2006-01-08 Thread Ian Hickson
bookmarks or find them too hard to use. That is indeed a worrying anecdote, but it is probably one that Web browser vendors need to worry about more than us. (Though if anyone has any ideas of ways we can extend HTML to help with this, please don't hesitate to come forward with them.) -- Ian

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2006-01-08 Thread Ian Hickson
use such a UI, rarely see it. CMS-based blogs and autogenerated documentation are the typical exception, but they aren't a big part of the Web (the blogosphere's collective ego notwithstanding). I couldn't call this a success without diluting the meaning of the word. -- Ian Hickson

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] checked, defaultChecked and checked

2006-01-12 Thread Ian Hickson
, as it is not new features. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Bogus comment treated as a real comment in Mozilla

2006-01-17 Thread Ian Hickson
, 16 Jan 2006, Blake Kaplan wrote: I agree with your interpretation and actually have a patch that fixes Mozilla's behavior on comments that start with '/' You rock. :-) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] Allow form as a child of tbody

2006-01-17 Thread Ian Hickson
WF2 being too much too soon.) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Definition of alt= attribute

2006-01-18 Thread Ian Hickson
sensible alternate text, authors should follow these guidelines:/p ul lipDo not ... lipDo not ... Is there any way you can phrase these in a positive sense, or at least reorder them so that the start of the first bullet point is positive? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Definition of alt= attribute

2006-01-20 Thread Ian Hickson
is not about making the world valid. No, but it _is_ about making authoring easier and being realistic. I've considered making alt= and omitting alt be conformant equivalents. I haven't really thought much about it yet though. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] comment parsing

2006-01-22 Thread Ian Hickson
- EOF Comment a -- b c -. !-- a -- b c -- EOFComment a -- b c --. !-- a -- b c -- EOF Comment a -- b c . This seems like the most logical lowest-common-denominator way of describing this. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL

Re: [whatwg] comment parsing

2006-01-22 Thread Ian Hickson
manages to sneak this into our site through a cross-site scripting attack!: script doSomethingEvil(); /script That would be terrible! Oh well. There's no way they could aCONNECTION TERMINATED BY PEER -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Comment Syntax and Parsing

2006-01-22 Thread Ian Hickson
these: !-- -- -- EOF !-- -- -- EOF !-- -- EOF !-- -- EOF ...in my script: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/ -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] Comment Syntax and Parsing

2006-01-23 Thread Ian Hickson
thing that could work. :-/ I agree. :-) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Comment Syntax and Parsing

2006-01-24 Thread Ian Hickson
. !-- --- -| (not sure) | Comment text is --- -. PA!-- --- --SS | --- | PASS PA!--- --- ---SS | - --- -| PASS Agreed. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Comment Syntax and Parsing

2006-01-24 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote: PA!- !--SS -- | - ! | PASS -- Comment should be - !-- IMHO. It's still a bogus comment (in HTML5 nomenclature), the -- part is irrelevant. Ok, so

Re: [whatwg] Comment Syntax and Parsing

2006-01-24 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote: I tested the following in the live dom viewer using Firefox 1.5.0.1 Win and Mac, Opera 8.5/Mac, Opera 9 Win and Mac, Safari 2.0.3, IE6, OmniWeb 5.1.2 and iCab 3.0.1. !DOCTYPE

[whatwg] Google research into web authoring techniques

2006-01-25 Thread Ian Hickson
to see that most of what we've been working on in HTML5 is justified by this research -- for example the header and footer elements. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things

Re: [whatwg] Tag Soup: Blocks-in-inlines

2006-01-25 Thread Ian Hickson
agree. I wish we could do it this way. I even specced it out. :-) -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Tag Soup: Blocks-in-inlines

2006-01-25 Thread Ian Hickson
in HTML5 onward, something the whole web not using these day. HTML browsers won't get more than one parser. Whatever we spec here has to work as a replacement for HTML parsers entirely, for all HTML content. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] Tag Soup: Blocks-in-inlines

2006-01-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Simon Pieters wrote: Thus, empXY/p/em should be parsed as: BODY + EM + P + EM + #text: XY ...IMHO. This breaks in the face of ah3/h3//a, sadly (see my earlier mail). Otherwise I'd agree. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Tag Soup: Blocks-in-inlines

2006-01-25 Thread Ian Hickson
. Agreed. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Tag Soup: Blocks-in-inlines

2006-01-26 Thread Ian Hickson
. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Tag Soup: Blocks-in-inlines

2006-01-26 Thread Ian Hickson
as a child of the EM, after the P for no apparent reason.) Yeah this seems wrong to me. IE gets the result you describe as being what Mozilla does with STRONG. That's the rendering we should be aiming for, IMHO. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http

Re: [whatwg] Tag Soup: Blocks-in-inlines

2006-01-26 Thread Ian Hickson
. If it doesn't handle the examples in this thread like IE (in the rendering) then it isn't good enough. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

[whatwg] Adoption Agency Algorithm

2006-01-26 Thread Ian Hickson
. http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-main http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#closing http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#how-to Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

Re: [whatwg] Adoption Agency Algorithm

2006-01-26 Thread Ian Hickson
elements, not block-level elements. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Re: [whatwg] Content Restrictions

2006-01-27 Thread Ian Hickson
be interested (once the archives are back up, or using the other archive site) in looking at the recent discussion on sandboxing in HTML5. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things

Re: [whatwg] Adoption Agency Algorithm

2006-01-27 Thread Ian Hickson
. The stack seems to go out of sync. The current node (that is, the cursor of the parser, where future nodes will be appended) is one of their ancestors (the nearest block), as if those nodes had been opened and then immediately closed again. This is intentional. -- Ian Hickson U

Re: [whatwg] Adoption Agency Algorithm

2006-01-27 Thread Ian Hickson
by the advantages of your approach. What are they? noscript and noframes (and other such elements) should be considered more as #ifdefs than as elements, IMHO. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A

[whatwg] Update to the Adoption Agency Algorithm

2006-01-27 Thread Ian Hickson
inlines it happens to cross. http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#closing Cheers, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

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